First off, I understand about R12 and how you need to have blah blah blah from the EPA to get the stuff. But where are some of you guys getting it? and some people are saying its getting "cheaper" now than it was. I can get R134a at work for like $7.50 a can. Of couse my wagon still has R12, and still works well. But I have my 76 280C and I want to fix up the system in it and get it working again, and I would LIKE to get R12 in it, but if I can't get it, I'm gonna have to put R134a in it instead. I don't know about people saying how R134a doesn't work worth beans, I know my dads ford truck has R134a and it gets VERY COLD, but then again, its made for R134a so who knows. If anyone wants to sell me R12, I'd be willing to buy.

Thanks guys.

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1969 220D 4 speed (parts car)
1976 280C
1976 280S
1981 240D 4 speed (parts car)
1982 300D
1983 300TD (Ivory)
1983 300TD (gold)
1985 300TD (gray)
1987 190D 2.5
1970 280SEL (sold)
1977 240D 4 speed (sold)
1974 280 (rusted to death)
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1927 Chevy 4 door sedan
1938 Chevy 2 door sedan
1950 Willys Jeepster
1955 Studebaker President 4 door
1977 Ford F250
1979 Glastron 17'
1948 John Deere A
1960 John Deere 2010
1979 Satoh S650G
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2000 Bichon (Doby)

Try E-Bay

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80 280SL
85 300SD
87 300TD
92 300D 2.5 Turbo
92 300TE 4Matic

I just converted a 300D last night after replacing its compressor. It blows ice cold, even colder than the R12 system still in my 300CD although it was last charged 2 years ago.

It was very easy to convert! pretty cheap too, almost less total than what the r12 refrigerant will cost you.

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1980 500SE/AMG Euro
1981 500SEL Euro
1982 380SEL
1983 300TD
1983 500SEC/AMG Euro
1984 500SEC
1984 300TD Euro
1986 190E 2.3-16
1986 190E 2.3
1987 300D
1997 C36 AMG
2003 C320T 4matic

past: 1969 280SE 4.5 | 1978 240D | 1978 300D | 1981 300SD | 1981 300SD | 1982 300CD | 1983 300CD | 1983 300SD | 1983 380SEC | 1984 300D | 1984 300D | 1984 300TD | 1984 500SEL | 1984 300SD | 1985 300D | 1986 300E | 1986 560SEL | 1986 560SEL/Carat | 1987 560SEC | 1991 300D 2.5 | 2006 R350

That seems like what everyone else isn't saying about R134a, but I don't live in texas, so I think I'll be ok.

THanks

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-Randy Wakefield

1969 220D 4 speed (parts car)
1976 280C
1976 280S
1981 240D 4 speed (parts car)
1982 300D
1983 300TD (Ivory)
1983 300TD (gold)
1985 300TD (gray)
1987 190D 2.5
1970 280SEL (sold)
1977 240D 4 speed (sold)
1974 280 (rusted to death)
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1927 Chevy 4 door sedan
1938 Chevy 2 door sedan
1950 Willys Jeepster
1955 Studebaker President 4 door
1977 Ford F250
1979 Glastron 17'
1948 John Deere A
1960 John Deere 2010
1979 Satoh S650G
--
2000 Bichon (Doby)

Autozone, $15/can. Of course considering that you have the proper licensing, a 609. So far that is the cheapest that I've heard about. It's worth an extra $30 to stay with the R12. Plus, when switching you have all the flushing to do, etc.

Thanks
David

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2000 Honda Accord V6 137k miles

1972 300SEL 4.5 98k miles

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I was also told about the low price from Autozone, however the local autozones here only sell them in huge containers for $200 each. However, the EPA has approved the following refrigerants as substitutes for R-12:

HFC-134a (R-134a)
FRIGC (FR-12)
FreeZone/RB-276
Ikon-12
Freeze-12

So you can purchase any one of the above and use it instead of R-12 as far as I know. I need to get the A/C in my new 300SD up and running so I guess I'll be purchasing some freeze-12 soon.

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1999 Mercedes-Benz S600, 103K miles - garage queen
1988 Mercedes-Benz 560SEL, 89K miles - daily driver
2007 Hyundai Sonata Limited, 31K - daily driver

I went to Autozone and they say they haven't sold R-12 in years. Guess it's a regional thing.

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-Dave