Correct. We generally take a stab and say the IP is retarded about 1/2 as much as the camshaft..........but...........it could be slightly more due to the chain lengths.

I made that tool.
 

I took the splined keys off of the old injection pump (THAT I WOULD NEVER TRUST AGAIN to run on anything) that came off of my 603 motor that ran "wild" on me and sounded like an AIRPLANE taking off with a huge cloud of white smoke hanging in the air as if it were alive and had me not knowing whether to run for cover or try to shut it down (pretty scary moment that I won't forget anytime soon). Anyway, I just took two of those 6 splined rings that keep the injector caps secure and made sure they were aligned and would fit on the splined cap and welded them to a big spark plug socket. Then I filed off all of the excess material and made the tool look good and it has been working like a charm. The dealer wanted almost $300.00 for that tool when I first inquired about buying one when I was new to the 603 when one of my injector lines was leaking and I didn't know what to do about it, but did know that I just couldn't THROW money at the problem, not working on a Mercedes.

BenzDiesel

$300?!? They must have quoted you the wrong item. That sounds like a quote for the RIV 'A-B' light box, not the special socket. The socket should be under $30 at most dealers, or even via MercedesShop. I'd stick with the OE tool, not an aftermarket (i.e. SirTools). Some photos, including part number, is below.

:)

http://www.w124performance.com/image...alve_tool1.jpg
http://www.w124performance.com/image...alve_tool2.jpg
http://www.w124performance.com/image...alve_tool3.jpg

I thought someone was confusing the splined socket tool with the RIV tool but wanted to stay out of it for a moment as its POSSIBLE a dealer wanted $300 for a socket who knows!?
I've rented out my OE socket tool three times already and only a $20 deposit. Its still in service.
I would think that a deposit for the RIV tool however is another story and $300 is even too low. At least be sure you insure these thigs (either the socket or the RIV) as even Fed Ex can lose things (I can tell you horror stories about Fed Ex, DHL and UPS that I won't go into here) basically the integrity of us Shop Forum members is higher than some of the people that work for these shipping companies!

DDH

Yep, that would be me.:o

I thought you fellows were referring to the RIV tool..........and a $300. deposit is reasonable for that item.

The splined socket is quite a bit less.......obviously.

Almost $300.00 was the price quoted me for the splined tool, two years ago.
 

I didn't even know about that electronic tool. And was told that the splined tool had to be ordered and had to come from Germany and it would take about two weeks and had to be paid for in advance, while all the time my car was leaking diesel fuel profusely, and I didn't know what damage was being caused, but I knew it didn't look good. The Internet has made information much more accessible, since that time, which is why the prices have come down, I think; that along with Lexus getting all of the used to be Mercedes owners because of excessive break downs, but I still like Mercedes and see Lexus cars as "imitations" of Mercedes and often laugh when I see a Lexus that looks just like (almost) a Mercedes, except for the gold Lexus sign on the car. Don't they have design patents? Anyway, at the time, the price wasn't out of line in my way of thinking. I figured that if a diesel engine performed was well as the car was performing before the "cracked head" came about and I could expect to get about a million miles out of that car and all I needed was an almost $300.00 tool; then it was a bargain, which I almost bought, until I figured out that I could use the keys themselves and tap on them to get the injector caps off. But making the tool has been so much better. Plus, I'd bet that RIV tool at Mercedes cost over $1200.00 for a used one, TODAY. Also, this was way before I learned the hard way that you can't expect a million miles out of these cars, anymore, if ever.

Clarification: $300.00 was the price of the tool that I would have bought, but don't know if it was actually the splined tool or some other tool which Mercedes use to do this job, which made the price be almost $300.00. Nevertheless, I'm inclined to believe that it was just a splined tool, which at the time, nobody at the truck diesel shops had even heard of and told me that truck diesel engines didn't have no splines.

BenzDiesel

LOL - that's the one. :D

I bet that the dealer was indeed going to charge $300 for the tool pictured by gsxr in a previous post.
They sell the RIV (electronic timing indicator device) to employees for about $280. There are aftermarket ones for $250 or so.
I agree that the Internet has opened competition in all aspects of commerce and information exchange is exploding like never before, that's why they call this the Information Age ;)
re: Lexus. My dad drives one. bought it to replace Cadillacs after the Cad dealer was so hard on him over some factory warranty stuff. He drove the Lexus back over the next day and told him he was a man of his word and bought the Lexus like he said he would because of Cad reliability issues. I am certain there are lots of MB owners who have done similarly.
Bu who knows, if Lexus put out a car with a diesel engine I might have bought one (or two or five of them!) (just kidding? or not?)
my collection:
1971 220 (gas) 4-spd manual 106441*
1979 300TD w/ ’85 turbo engine 302,000
1983 300D 246650
1985 300TD 231008
1987 300D 264000
1987 300D $400 project car WIP

83 240d euro
 

Do you guys think the riv tool will work with my engine?1983 240d euro. I have the IP with spline socket delivery tube. Is this the newer style IP? What does the riv inlet plug on the IP look like and where would it be located. I see one on the side opposite the engine and to the rear. It looks like a alllen wrench will fit. is this it? I may take photos later to show. there is another right next to the no.1 delivery tube on the engine side. that looks like a fuel inlet but nothing goes there and there is no plug. Any good diagrams of these IP's?
thanks for the help.
Chris

This might be the plug. Take a photo and post it.

Yes, that's it.
 

My question is: What does the RIV measure that makes the light come on? Does it just let you know that you have hit the "vee"? I already know that Mercedes diesels will just about run on any number as long as fuel will pump to the injectors. The problem must be in the translation from German to English that is causing the problem. The German guy that knows how the thing works, must can't speak English well enough to explain the intricates that make the pump work, so when he try to tell the translator (American in this case), who probably has no idea what an injection pump or maybe even a glow plug is, since his skill is translating and not mechanics and has a hard time trying to interpret what the German speaking guy is saying, in terms of the "fine" intricates and details of how to explain the procedures in a coherent manner, since the interpreter might not even know how to open the hood on a Mercedes.

BenzDiesel

Like here?
(sorry I am too 603-centric at the moment (I wonder why)

Like there.;)

Can I assume my SD's IP has this fitting as it's a late 617?

.....you can.