I was looking at a 86 or 87 190D. The engine sounded a little too tappy.
It is a 4 cyl non-turbo. With only 111,Miles. It was not a lower end knock.
It was a loud tapping. It did not sound like my SD when she needs a valve
tune-up, It was a higher pitched tap tap tap... I have never heard a 190D
4 cyl diesel running before so it hard to compare. Any addvice would be great.
Thanks, Jay

I worked on a W201 190D 2.2 last week. Compared to the W123/W126 cars, these things are crap. Don't waste your money.

Jay.

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On the road, currently:
'83 300D (German spec.) 168k mi. - - Wolfgang (tucked snugly away for the winter!)
'87 300D 375k mi. - finally went over to "The Dark Side"
'87 300TD 225k mi.
Cannondale 66cm CAAD5 w/Campy/Jamis Aurora
Hujsak Custom Fixie/Landshark Track Shark Custom/Ahearne Custom 29'er

I think their wonderful cars. What makes you think they are crap?

My dad worked in the factory (sindelfingen) when these cars were being built, and even he himself calls the 190's "cheap sardine cans" They were MB's answer to an econobox needy population.......obviously they are better than a typical car, but they're nothing like the 123/126's as were mentioned earlier....those were the true tanks.

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'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)

Yeah I've heard the same thing from mechanics, thin sheet metal and plastic interior sounds like mostly cosmetic criticism. But what about the 5-spd 190D 2.2 ? Hell with that kind of engine and drivetrain combo - who cares if the rest of the car is paper thin!

So lets adress the issue here - did MB start using self-adjusting valves with the mid '80s 190D? And what are weaknesses or differences in the valve train that might cause alot of high pitched tapping? If you're really serious about buying the car or if it's going for alot of money, dont hesitate to take it to independent mechanic for $50 examination. Its hard for me to believe the car is an absolute piece of crap. And 111k miles should be nothing for an MB 4 cyl diesel.

I love W201's... of course they don't feel as solid as a W123. God forbid a Mercedes weighs less than 3500 pounds. Rack and pinion steering is also a lot nicer.. though the lower weight also ties into that.

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1985 CA 300D Turbo , 213K mi

The guy only wants 700 bucks.... No rust, only 111 miles, nice paint, clean
inside. I will buy it when I get back New York anyway. But wanted to know
what would cause the loud tapping. Thanks guys. Jay

87 190d Turbo,

I know not many of them, mine runs like a top, good power with the turbo, and an honest 40 mpg highway. 242,000 +, If that is crap, I will take a load of it.

Ray,

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'99 300td
'00 C230
'07 GL CDI soon, very soon
'87 190 2.5td - sold

A friend of mine has a 190E 2.6. I didn't drive it, but from sitting in the passenger seat, it seemed like a "tight" or solid car.

The doors didn't close as nicely as my 300D, but I think the 190 had a better ride, and I imagine it would handle better too.

The seats seem to be made of better materials than my 123. I can't comment on the rest of the interior though.

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1976 BMW 2002- 100k
1995 BMW 325i 175k
1984 Mercedes Benz 300D Turbo Diesel- 270,000 mi

1981 Mercedes Benz 240D- Estimated 300,000+ mi Returned to the earth

I loved my 190D. It was a grey market 2.2L with a 5-speed and black velour interior. It was a Chicago car so the body panels rusted a lot, but I always had the rust removed and panels repainted. Finally, my mechanic told me that the Unibody was becoming unsafe due to too much rust. The engine ran perfect at 175,000 miles when I sold it. It did not burn any oil. I would regularly get 40-45 mpg out of it.

Send me the contact info for the seller if you do not purchase that 190D for $700.

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Ed
-1984 Mercedes 190D 2.2 5-speed gray market(bought@30,000 miles) (Sold back to original owner@170,000 miles)
-1999 Mercedes E300DT (245,000 miles)
-1999 Mercedes S500 Grand Edition (80,000 miles)

i agree.

it has always been popular to diss the 190 and say it isnt a real benz, but i totally disagree. it is made to be more economical so it is more like a more refined 240 but the basic car is still a mercedes. i wouldnt hesitate on one if i could find a good one and needed a car.

heck a lot of the parts on it are the same as the 124 and 126.

tom w

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.