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Old 05-10-2006, 11:44 PM
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The switch is happening. I had to pump some petro-diesel today (my peanut bio was plugging the filter this cold morning) and the pump had a notice saying not to use this LSD in newer diesel engines.
Hey then whats a vehicle driver with a newer diesel supposed to do when he pulls up with an empty tank and reads that sign, run call for an engine transplant? What exactly is a "newer diesel" anyhow?
I smell trouble. Remember when they dorked up diesel in the 80's and cars like the Peugot and Cadillac diesels went to the dogs and fuel pumps went out? (well, the GM diesel was already for the dogs, wasn't it?!)

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Old 05-10-2006, 11:49 PM
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Yeah I was wondering that too, will it hurt the IP or should I dump a quart of Dexron III into per fillup?
There have been those that say the ash left when ATF is burned cruds up injectors, I did this once in a 617 that was running poorly, it didn't change anything. I would not put ATF in my good running diesels. I use RedLine and have used Amsoil Cetane Booster with good results (at least it seems better!)
You know without a Dyno test there is no way to really tell for sure if the engine runs any better with additives like that so you have to read the advertising literature and decide for yourself. Its sorta like a placebo I suppose.
I think with ULSD there's a market for diesel fuel additives now like never before.
The solution is probably adding a percentage of Bio fuel, soy oil or ???
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Old 05-11-2006, 10:15 AM
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Hey then whats a vehicle driver with a newer diesel supposed to do when he pulls up with an empty tank and reads that sign, run call for an engine transplant? What exactly is a "newer diesel" anyhow?
I smell trouble. Remember when they dorked up diesel in the 80's and cars like the Peugot and Cadillac diesels went to the dogs and fuel pumps went out? (well, the GM diesel was already for the dogs, wasn't it?!)
Yeah. This pump was the older diesel spec. The notice was more specific, I think it stated that '05 and newer should not use it because the 500ppm sulfur content will wreck catalytic converters.
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Old 05-11-2006, 01:00 PM
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somewhat off topic

Anybody planning to use additives in their diesel tractors? I have a subcompact kubota with a little 3 cylinder diesel. Would a little dextron III or powerservice be indicated?

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Old 05-11-2006, 09:32 PM
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Off road fuel (Red diesel) won't need to meet the ULSD requirement until 2009 or so.
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Old 05-14-2006, 10:35 AM
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Off road fuel (Red diesel) won't need to meet the ULSD requirement until 2009 or so.
The Oil company I work for is not going to make any RED diesel after this year, the risk of contamination of the ULSD is too great.
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Old 05-16-2006, 11:25 PM
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I pulled up to my trusty pump at speedway by my house today, and it had a brand new "ULSD" warning sticker on it, saying "2007 model year diesel engines will be damaged by this diesel, and that it is for highway use, and that it has 500ppm or less of sulfur...." ok then....what exactly does that mean, doesn't euro-diesel have like less than 50ppm of sulfur? And, why would the low sulfur diesel hurt the new engines, I thought thats what they were designed for, and that ours would be the ones suffering. I am confused now.

What exactly is the problem with the fuel? I faithfully poured in 13.7 gallons anyways, it looks blueish when dribbling off the nozzle and has no diesel smell that I could sense....weird, it looked blue in the filler neck too (I fill to the cap) Someone explain this in detail please?
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Old 05-16-2006, 11:33 PM
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I saw the same sticker yesterday and noticed it didn't refer to ULSD, it referred to LSD, with 500 ppm of sulfur. IFAIK, ULSD will be 15 ppm, so I think this sticker is telling us that this is not ULSD and should not be used in 2007 engines.
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Old 05-17-2006, 12:12 AM
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I saw the same sticker yesterday and noticed it didn't refer to ULSD, it referred to LSD, with 500 ppm of sulfur. IFAIK, ULSD will be 15 ppm, so I think this sticker is telling us that this is not ULSD and should not be used in 2007 engines.

Yeah I just found a website explaining it all, we wont see the ULSD till a bit later yet....but they have it down to 500pm, way lower than the 3,000 it was a couple years ago....and indeed the final amount will be 15ppm, thats like equal to europe's levels....maybe we'll have a diesel revolution too!
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Old 05-17-2006, 08:25 AM
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....maybe we'll have a diesel revolution too!
It's about time...
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Yeah I just found a website explaining it all, we wont see the ULSD till a bit later yet....but they have it down to 500pm, way lower than the 3,000 it was a couple years ago....and indeed the final amount will be 15ppm, thats like equal to europe's levels....maybe we'll have a diesel revolution too!

Pulled up to my trusty Chevron station yesterday and it had the ULSD sticker on the pump handle and it said to go to http://www.clean-diesel.org for more info... So here in the SF Bay Area, we are on ULSD now. I poured some into a glass jar to take a look at it and its virtually clear. Looks clearer than the Saffola Oil I cook with. Now I hope the Auto manufacturers will not have any excuses.

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Old 07-12-2006, 06:10 PM
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to clear up some confusion about the ULSD and all the warning stickers.
Basically 2007/"newer diesels" cant use 500ppm LSD diesel because it will clog and damage the new emission systems.

They are only compatable with new 15ppm ULSD. In an older thread i posted the company i work for (datasafe) got a letter from the olympian/shell station stating that there can be seal shrinkage and leaks. As well as oil polymersation, they also claim that currently a lubricating additive should be mixed with the new ULSD as they currently arent adding a lubrication additive

When we have to run ULSD in the passat i have the jug of powerservice diesel kleen in the truck to pour in for the lubrication purposes. Otherwise we run biodiesel in it which is 100 times better for lubrication of the IP. But then again the PD system in the passat TDI doesnt have an IP so whats the point of the additives .
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I was at the Dodge dealer today to pick up a part for my truck.
Parts guy tells me they have rebuild three Cummins 5.9s this month "eat up by the new diesel" (his words).
I am running wvo, first I've heard of this...
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Old 07-12-2006, 11:50 PM
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The ULSD is popping up quickly down here in Texas. I filled up the '95 with it today for the first time. The '85 has full tank of the "old stuff".

These threads are making me paranoid.
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Old 07-13-2006, 03:44 AM
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Anybody planning to use additives in their diesel tractors? I have a subcompact kubota with a little 3 cylinder diesel. Would a little dextron III or powerservice be indicated?

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