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Brown Sludge in radiator fluid!!!
I opened the radiator cap on my '98 E300D and noticed the fluid was brown and there was a brown sludgelike substance inside. What is it??? My first thought was oil. I dipped my finger in and smelled it and it kinda smelled like oil but I really can't tell. The car uses no oil between changes, doesn't run hot and displays no adverse driving symptoms. Also, the oil on the dipstick looks fine. Doesn't look at all like radiator fluid has been leaking in. Also, the previous owner was a maintenance nut and had everything flushed regularly. I'm really worried. Anybody have any ideas???
Thanks, Scott
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It could be rust. Why don't you flush it out with water first, then use that citric acid rinse and see what happens after you refill it?
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Radiator sludge
I've never seen it in person, but have been warned that if you mix dex-cool (orange) with green antifreeze or the red VW stuff, it forms some kind of sludge. I have a friend with an S-10 that had a cooling system full of crud. Might be someone topped off with a wrong antifreeze and it gunked the system up?
I'd drain the radiator, and pull the block plug out and see what runs out. Fill the radiator with water to flush out what you can from the radiator and the block. The do the citric flush.
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Could be that the tech saw the yellow stuff and dumped dex cool in but why bother? If it isn't oil then who cares at this point. GET IT THE HELL OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM. Then see if it reappears
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Do check it out as recommended above, but be careful not to run it too much until you determine what's going on. If it is "milkshake" sludge, it is most likely oil due to a head/ head gasket issue. You don't want to do more damage.
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One more thing... Where is the plug on the engine for the drain? I may attempt this myself rather than taking it to an indy. Do I drain it from both the radiator and the engine plugs? What's the proper procedure for flushing it with a garden hose? What's the proper procedure for refilling?
Thanks, Scott
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Scott 1982 Mercedes 240D, 4 speed, 275,000 1988 Porsche 944 Turbo S (70,000) 1987 Porsche 911 Coupe 109,000 (sold) 1998 Mercedes E300 TurboDiesel 147,000 (sold) 1985 Mercedes 300D 227,000 (totaled by inattentive driver with no insurance!) 1997 Mercedes E300 Diesel 236,000 (sold) 1995 Ducati 900SS (sold) 1987 VW Jetta GLI 157,000 (sold) 1986 Camaro 125,000 (sold - P.O.S.) 1977 Corvette L82 125,000 (sold) 1965 Pontiac GTO 15,000 restored (sold) |
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You drain it everywhere. Both block and radiator. Then you add fresh water in with a little dish soap to get out the oils in it. Heater on, of course. Then you can flush it with the garden hose. Now, if it were me, I would drain both the block and the radiator after washing it with dish soap and then fill it with water and run for a bit to make sure it comes out clean. Once satisfied, I would drain it, refill it, run the engine for a bit, drain it and refill, run again for a bit, then drain and fill it with distilled water.
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Drain plug is at the bottom of the radiator on the driver side, IIRC. Either way it looks like a petcock. Then the block drains are on the side of the block.
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Thanks, Scott
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If it were mine, I'd not run plain water in it for longer than it took to flush. Definitely not a few days.
But you can get some water conditioner made for running without antifreeze, which is made to protect aluminum parts. Or some antifreeze that is also good for aluminum. If it's only there for a few days and is going to be completely flushed out after that, I wouldn't worry about running non-MB antifreeze. And when you fill after each flush, use distilled water. |
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Do you think it is bad to run plain water in it if he is going to dump it when he flushes the system to get all the crud out?
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