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Old 11-26-2006, 01:16 PM
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O-ring Test?? ...

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thanks for the tips sam...once i get this sorted out i will replace most of the rubber components. its amazing more of them arent leaking...
i took a look and the black rubber cap on top of the green modulator was cracked for sure. i took it off, and am patching it up with superglue/silicone to see if that fixes it. a rubber cap at that harsh enviro spot is quite the weak point...
sam: how would i check the o-ring?
im guessing to do anymore work on that area other than replacing this cap i am going to need to pull the transmission pan?...it's tight up there. i can barely inspect anything, i only can whats going on with a mirror.
Well I really didn't test it, but what I did was to take the old o-ring down to the plumbing section of my local ACE Hardware and found one that had a little smaller ID and "fatter" in girth, and this made a big difference in how the tranny was shifting. This was before I picked up a Hand Vacuum Pump!
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Old 11-26-2006, 04:52 PM
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o ring / rubber cap

I tested the hard tranny vac line and the rubber connector to the modulator - they held vacuum so it's defintely the modulator/rubber cap/o ring.

I'm going to order one of the little rubber caps and hope. It's the little cap thats about a half inch wide?

Sam - I'm confused as to where this o ring is located. do you need to take the modulator off the tranny to get at it? Hopefully it doesn't come to that...but it will based on how things are going thus far.

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Old 11-26-2006, 06:47 PM
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I see you have an '82...

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... Sam - I'm confused as to where this o ring is located. do you need to take the modulator off the tranny to get at it? Hopefully it doesn't come to that...but it will based on how things are going thus far. -dd
... so it's entirely possible that your tranny's modulator does not have a separate O-ring that seals the cap! Sorry if I gave bad advice.
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Old 11-27-2006, 10:58 AM
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Question modulator questions

for those who have seen it before, here's the modulator for my 82 300DT:

http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/mercedesshop/sophio/quote.jsp?clientid=catalog.mercedesshop&cookieid=1YD0NAI2L1YD0NAOXJ&baseurl=http://catalog.peachparts.com/&partner=mercedesshop&year=1982&product=J5020-102310&application=000010721

for clarification: the rubber cap talked about in this thread goes over the brass tee pictured.

is removal of this item something that is covered in the shop manual? is it particularly difficult?

amazingly my local MB parts counter had both the rubber cap and the o-ring stock. woo-hoo!

thanks again,
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Old 11-27-2006, 11:49 AM
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Is this paralysis by analysis?

Last month I pulled my IP pump and retimed it.

Its new position was significant that all the linkages had to be really readjusted and tweaked, but it wasn't really scientific. I just made sure everything had full play.

I thought I had misadjusted the Bowden cable but i had misadvertantly turned off my alda enrichment system by routing a hose incorrectly. Looking back on it I dont think the Bowden setting has to be set like a watch.
I hope no one takes me as arrogant, but my car shifts like a Swiss watch. It was really terrible before I found my fuel enrichment line to the ALDA wasnt routed properly. Now it shifts softer than some 2006 cars!
Maybe the only thing i did different was flush the system, not once but twice. Also the transmission came from a salavage car, its not the original one.
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Old 11-27-2006, 12:40 PM
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I've been doing my own troubleshooting regarding this vacuum system.

I applied vacuum to the system and it didn't hold. I tested the source line going to the brake booster and it was giving out good vacuum. I tested downstream of the orifice and it was reading good vacuum levels. I tested the line down to the modulator and it held vacuum for a good, long while. I then tested the VCV by itself and it would not hold vacuum. So, I guess I'll have to order a new VCV sometime in the future.
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I dont know which vacuum system

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I've been doing my own troubleshooting regarding this vacuum system.

I applied vacuum to the system and it didn't hold. I tested the source line going to the brake booster and it was giving out good vacuum. I tested downstream of the orifice and it was reading good vacuum levels. I tested the line down to the modulator and it held vacuum for a good, long while. I then tested the VCV by itself and it would not hold vacuum. So, I guess I'll have to order a new VCV sometime in the future.
I dont know which vacuum system you have but i have whats known as "California 85" the most complex one. Boy, you get one vacuum leak and everything goes astray, the doors wont lock and sometimes the car wont shut off.

Hope you can go to a Salvage yard and find a vacuum control valve. i would send you one free if I had one...or post a message asking for one. Boy the dealer is expensive!!!
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Old 11-27-2006, 02:04 PM
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I've been shopping around, pricing new VCVs, the lowest I saw still wasn't low enough for my wallet. I may have to go used or check eBay.
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Old 11-27-2006, 06:31 PM
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Different model year... different modulator!!

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For those who have seen it before, here's the modulator for my 82 300DT:http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/mercedesshop/sophio/quote.jsp?clientid=catalog.mercedesshop&cookieid=1YD0NAI2L1YD0NAOXJ&baseurl=http://catalog.peachparts.com/&partner=mercedesshop&year=1982&product=J5020-102310&application=000010721
For clarification: the rubber cap talked about in this thread goes over the brass tee pictured.
Is removal of this item something that is covered in the shop manual? is it particularly difficult?
Amazingly my local MB parts counter had both the rubber cap and the o-ring stock. woo-hoo!dd
Your parts link above clearly shows the modulator with an O-ring that is on a part of the modulator that is internal to the tranny... whereas on my two earlier 1980 models, the O-ring is external under the modulator's snap-off white cap onto which the vacuum line is connected. Take a look at this link and you will readily see what I'm talking about:http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/mercedesshop/sophio/wizard.jsp?partner=mercedesshop&clientid=catalog.mercedesshop&baseurl=http://catalog.peachparts.com/&cookieid=1WH11JXAQ1YD13IFKV&year=1980&make=MB&model=300-D-002&category=All&part=AT+Modulator+Valve
That's good news that you can get the cap and O-ring. Now let's hope your tranny's modulator circuit will hold vacuum.
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Old 11-27-2006, 06:48 PM
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Multiple problem cars going on this THREAD at once can be befuddling !

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I just went out and did the same test myself. I could not get the VCV to hold a vacuum either. I even went and isolated the VCV from the rest of the vacuum system, still wouldn't hold vacuum. Is it supposed to hold, or bleed off?
H-townbenzoboy,
DO NOT go out and buy any kind of replacement VCV just yet.
Since I started this THREAD I usually monitor it and try to help when I can but I just returned from a 3-week vacation to Italy.
(1) Q - Would you please clarify which MBz YR/Model you have with this problem. I want to make sure you are working from the correct vacuum diagram and that your various vacuum hoses/lines are hooked up properly.
(2) Yes it is entirely likely that your VCV will NOT hold a vacuum and yet be perfectly OK. I say this because it's function is to act as a variable bleed of vacuum from the tranny vacuum control system... thus simulating and signaling to the tranny via the modulator what your throttle demand is. So don't chuck this expensive piece of plastic just yet.
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H-townbenzoboy,
DO NOT go out and buy any kind of replacement VCV just yet.,
I was hoping you'd day that.

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Since I started this THREAD I usually monitor it and try to help when I can but I just returned from a 3-week vacation to Italy.
(1) Q - Would you please clarify which MBz YR/Model you have with this problem. I want to make sure you are working from the correct vacuum diagram and that your various vacuum hoses/lines are hooked up properly.
(2) Yes it is entirely likely that your VCV will NOT hold a vacuum and yet be perfectly OK. I say this because it's function is to act as a variable bleed of vacuum from the tranny vacuum control system... thus simulating and signaling to the tranny via the modulator what your throttle demand is. So don't chuck this expensive piece of plastic just yet.
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(1) I have a 1982 300D, Turbodiesel. It does not have the EGR valve connections anymore if you need to know that.
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Old 11-27-2006, 07:22 PM
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OK, let's get the basics straight!...

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I was hoping you'd day that.
(1) I have a 1982 300D, Turbodiesel. It does not have the EGR valve connections anymore if you need to know that.
This means that originally:
(a) your chassis was a W123.133,
(b) your engine was a 617.952 I5, and
(c) and your model was as stated, a 1982 300D, Turbodiesel

This means that regardless of whether it is a Federal or California car, I believe your vacuum diagram can be found at: http://www.peterschmid.com/vacuum/1977_1985/617_95/1981_1984.jpg
Take a look at this and check around the engine compartment to see that the vacuum plumbing is according the diagram and in fact you have the same components that are shown. Yes, count your blessings you do NOT have a 1985 Calif. car!!! I note that you have somehow disabled the EGR... probably by disconnecting and plugging/capping off the lines. Unless your State has an active inspection program, I would leave the EGR disabled.

I see that you already have the mandatory hand vacuum pump.

So this is how I recommend you do a basic/easy check of your VCV.
(1) With the engine shut down and the throttle closed, hook the vacuum directly to the top of the VCV by disconnecting the green dashpot/surge damper [shown as #72 in diagram].
(2) Pump the hand vacuum pump to see if the VCV hold any vacuume at all. Report back to this THREAD.
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Old 11-27-2006, 11:33 PM
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I did exactly as you said, I cannot get vacuum to hold at the VCV at all. What's the next step?
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:50 AM
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Let me relocate something...

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I did exactly as you said, I cannot get vacuum to hold at the VCV at all. What's the next step?
... relocate my Vacuum pump and check something before I advise further tomorrow.

Anyone else can feel free to jump in here IF you have any ideas!!
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Old 11-29-2006, 07:09 PM
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Just checking to see if you'd forgotten about me or not.

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