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O-ring Test?? ...
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Regards, Last edited by Bill Wood; 03-21-2009 at 10:54 PM. |
#107
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o ring / rubber cap
I tested the hard tranny vac line and the rubber connector to the modulator - they held vacuum so it's defintely the modulator/rubber cap/o ring.
I'm going to order one of the little rubber caps and hope. It's the little cap thats about a half inch wide? Sam - I'm confused as to where this o ring is located. do you need to take the modulator off the tranny to get at it? Hopefully it doesn't come to that...but it will based on how things are going thus far. -dd
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I see you have an '82...
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Regards, Last edited by Bill Wood; 03-21-2009 at 10:55 PM. |
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for those who have seen it before, here's the modulator for my 82 300DT:
http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/mercedesshop/sophio/quote.jsp?clientid=catalog.mercedesshop&cookieid=1YD0NAI2L1YD0NAOXJ&baseurl=http://catalog.peachparts.com/&partner=mercedesshop&year=1982&product=J5020-102310&application=000010721 for clarification: the rubber cap talked about in this thread goes over the brass tee pictured. is removal of this item something that is covered in the shop manual? is it particularly difficult? amazingly my local MB parts counter had both the rubber cap and the o-ring stock. woo-hoo! thanks again, dd
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------------------------------- '85 300D, 'Lance',250k, ... winter beater (100k on franken-Frybrid 3 Valve Kit) '82 300D, 'Tex', 228k body / 170k engine ... summer car '83 300TD Cali Wagon 210k, wife's car Last edited by dieseldan44; 11-27-2006 at 01:40 PM. Reason: answering my own questions |
#110
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Is this paralysis by analysis?
Last month I pulled my IP pump and retimed it.
Its new position was significant that all the linkages had to be really readjusted and tweaked, but it wasn't really scientific. I just made sure everything had full play. I thought I had misadjusted the Bowden cable but i had misadvertantly turned off my alda enrichment system by routing a hose incorrectly. Looking back on it I dont think the Bowden setting has to be set like a watch. I hope no one takes me as arrogant, but my car shifts like a Swiss watch. It was really terrible before I found my fuel enrichment line to the ALDA wasnt routed properly. Now it shifts softer than some 2006 cars! Maybe the only thing i did different was flush the system, not once but twice. Also the transmission came from a salavage car, its not the original one. |
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I've been doing my own troubleshooting regarding this vacuum system.
I applied vacuum to the system and it didn't hold. I tested the source line going to the brake booster and it was giving out good vacuum. I tested downstream of the orifice and it was reading good vacuum levels. I tested the line down to the modulator and it held vacuum for a good, long while. I then tested the VCV by itself and it would not hold vacuum. So, I guess I'll have to order a new VCV sometime in the future.
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#112
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I dont know which vacuum system
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Hope you can go to a Salvage yard and find a vacuum control valve. i would send you one free if I had one...or post a message asking for one. Boy the dealer is expensive!!! |
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I've been shopping around, pricing new VCVs, the lowest I saw still wasn't low enough for my wallet. I may have to go used or check eBay.
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'81 MB 300SD, '82 MB 300D Turbo (sold/RIP), '04 Lincoln Town Car Ultimate Sooner or later every car falls apart, ours does it later! -German Narrator in a MB Promotion Film about the then brand new W123. |
#114
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Different model year... different modulator!!
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That's good news that you can get the cap and O-ring. Now let's hope your tranny's modulator circuit will hold vacuum. Regards Last edited by Bill Wood; 03-21-2009 at 10:56 PM. |
#115
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Multiple problem cars going on this THREAD at once can be befuddling !
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DO NOT go out and buy any kind of replacement VCV just yet. Since I started this THREAD I usually monitor it and try to help when I can but I just returned from a 3-week vacation to Italy. (1) Q - Would you please clarify which MBz YR/Model you have with this problem. I want to make sure you are working from the correct vacuum diagram and that your various vacuum hoses/lines are hooked up properly. (2) Yes it is entirely likely that your VCV will NOT hold a vacuum and yet be perfectly OK. I say this because it's function is to act as a variable bleed of vacuum from the tranny vacuum control system... thus simulating and signaling to the tranny via the modulator what your throttle demand is. So don't chuck this expensive piece of plastic just yet. Regards, Last edited by Bill Wood; 03-21-2009 at 10:57 PM. |
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OK, let's get the basics straight!...
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(a) your chassis was a W123.133, (b) your engine was a 617.952 I5, and (c) and your model was as stated, a 1982 300D, Turbodiesel This means that regardless of whether it is a Federal or California car, I believe your vacuum diagram can be found at: http://www.peterschmid.com/vacuum/1977_1985/617_95/1981_1984.jpg Take a look at this and check around the engine compartment to see that the vacuum plumbing is according the diagram and in fact you have the same components that are shown. Yes, count your blessings you do NOT have a 1985 Calif. car!!! I note that you have somehow disabled the EGR... probably by disconnecting and plugging/capping off the lines. Unless your State has an active inspection program, I would leave the EGR disabled. I see that you already have the mandatory hand vacuum pump. So this is how I recommend you do a basic/easy check of your VCV. (1) With the engine shut down and the throttle closed, hook the vacuum directly to the top of the VCV by disconnecting the green dashpot/surge damper [shown as #72 in diagram]. (2) Pump the hand vacuum pump to see if the VCV hold any vacuume at all. Report back to this THREAD. Regards, Last edited by Bill Wood; 03-21-2009 at 10:58 PM. |
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I did exactly as you said, I cannot get vacuum to hold at the VCV at all. What's the next step?
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'81 MB 300SD, '82 MB 300D Turbo (sold/RIP), '04 Lincoln Town Car Ultimate Sooner or later every car falls apart, ours does it later! -German Narrator in a MB Promotion Film about the then brand new W123. |
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Let me relocate something...
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Anyone else can feel free to jump in here IF you have any ideas!! Regards, Last edited by Bill Wood; 03-21-2009 at 10:58 PM. |
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Just checking to see if you'd forgotten about me or not.
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'81 MB 300SD, '82 MB 300D Turbo (sold/RIP), '04 Lincoln Town Car Ultimate Sooner or later every car falls apart, ours does it later! -German Narrator in a MB Promotion Film about the then brand new W123. |
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