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ForcedInduction 02-05-2007 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ara T. (Post 1410903)
Lance, was there a decent power increase?

Oh yes. Everything is much more smooth and no smoke now.

erubin 02-10-2007 12:48 AM

My 1982 300D turbo has gotten real weak in power when cold (OK when hot) and it smokes more than i'm used to when accelerating. When the car is cold I crawl up the 1/2 mile steep hill in front of my home. This has been the case for two years now. Since then (about 15,000 miles ago) I changed the two fuel filters, loaded Diesel Purge in main fuel filter and adjusted the valves. Things didn't get much better. The EGR has long been plugged as recommended. I will change the filters again and readjust the valves but maybe I should do the IP timing as well. Your write up will be my guide, but first does the method you provide instructions for apply to my 616 engine?

BTW even though i have the updated rack idle bolt (installed 40k miles ago) it seems to make little difference to the idle when adjusted.

Thanks

ForcedInduction 02-10-2007 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by erubin (Post 1415323)
but first does the method you provide instructions for apply to my 616 engine?

Your 300D has a 617.

PanzerSD 02-10-2007 01:05 AM

Awesome pictorial! it's ironic, I was just going to post a thread on how to time my pump :D

Lance, did you notice any differences in exhaust or general engine noise? how did 26 degrees effect idle? can I set my 617.950 to that? (non emissions)

ForcedInduction 02-10-2007 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PanzerSD (Post 1415338)
Lance, did you notice any differences in exhaust or general engine noise? how did 26 degrees effect idle? can I set my 617.950 to that? (non emissions)

My timing was originally set way off from where it should have been so I can't really compare the change from 24 to 26.

My idle is great. It's smooth down to 500rpm even when cold. No reason you can't set yours to 26*. However, it will make starting in really cold weather a bit harder.

Ara T. 02-10-2007 01:19 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120064281651&category=35625 This ebay ad says the tube will work on 617 engine until 1983. Is he mistaken or can you really not use this on an '85 300D? If I'm correct I have a 617.952.

PanzerSD 02-10-2007 02:22 AM

Ok, I don't have any old mercedes injector line readily available...what do I need to buy to make a drip tube?

Scott98 02-10-2007 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by erubin (Post 1415323)
Your write up will be my guide, but first does the method you provide instructions for apply to my 616 engine?

As Lance said, you have a 617 and yes it applies to that engine as well.

Scott98 02-10-2007 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PanzerSD (Post 1415371)
Ok, I don't have any old mercedes injector line readily available...what do I need to buy to make a drip tube?

I bought my drip tube on ebay for $15. Phil might sell them here too. I didn't see them in the tool catalogue though.

erubin 02-10-2007 01:32 PM

Yes typo on my part. I have a 617 engine. Glad to read that these instructions are perfectly adapted to my engine as well, the instructions were for a 616 engine.

Regarding drip tube for newer models check read this from Baum Tool website:
http://tools.baumtools.com/search_result.jsp

DIESEL DRIP TUBE Tool #936-0223
Use to adjust start of fuel delivery.Up to 1983 models. See #601-0821 for newer models.

Scott98 02-10-2007 01:36 PM

There are larger photos in the DIY section:
http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/OM615OM616InjPumpTiming

Follow the instructions for the turbo charged models. You can make a drip tube out of old injector line but they are cheap so why not just buy one?

ForcedInduction 02-10-2007 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ara T. (Post 1415344)
This ebay ad says the tube will work on 617 engine until 1983. Is he mistaken or can you really not use this on an '85 300D? If I'm correct I have a 617.952.

I don't see why the drip method won't work on 83-85 engines. It's the same basic injection pump. They are meant to use the RIV method, a much more accurate method but needs very costly tools.

sailor15015 02-10-2007 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction (Post 1415342)
My timing was originally set way off from where it should have been so I can't really compare the change from 24 to 26.

My idle is great. It's smooth down to 500rpm even when cold. No reason you can't set yours to 26*. However, it will make starting in really cold weather a bit harder.

So a more advanced timing will make it harder to start? I though it would be the other way around, since the fuel will be in the cylinder longer and absorb more of the heat from the compression.

ForcedInduction 02-10-2007 06:48 PM

Injecting early can let the diesel droplets condense before the starting compression reaches it's peak temperature.

There was a big difference in starting with mine, especially when really cold. When it would start with a bit of effort around 0*f with the retarded timing, advancing it makes me work a lot harder with glowplug time length and cranking strategy.

jt20 11-10-2008 01:47 AM

thanks Scott, nice write up.

I wanted to add that when you are adjusting the pump, you want to be Decreasing the fuel flow from your drip tube only. I noticed that once the pump gets to the point of no drops, it will not start flowing until it brought back much further than previously advanced.

I advanced my timing as well and am noticing different start-up behavior. not cold enough to be 'bad', per se.


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