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1980 300D - 1st or 2nd gear takeoff??
Does anyone know if a 1980 300D has a 1st or 2nd gear takeoff (722.118)? My car will start off in 1st gear, but sometimes when the transmission is warm and I barely press the accelerator I can get it to take off in 2nd, which I prefer. If it does start in first it will skip second and go to third gear. If the car is supposed to take off in 2nd is there an explanation as to why it will kickdown into first? When I am at a stop the car is in 2nd and will switch to first once I take my foot off the brake and hit the accelerator. My kickdown switch works fine when I intentionally press it. No local mechanic has any idea what's going on!
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i would check the modulator function/adjustment.
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My '83 is 1st gear start. I think it would be pretty sluggish staring in sencond gear, esp. without a turbo. Just my $.02
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I have the 1980 300D. I do not seem to have that happenning.
Had this car close to 23 years. But I can tell you that the 1980 (at least my model) does need a working 3 way switch on the valve cover to manage the vacuum to the transmisison for correct shifting. (later models do not use these valves for that purpose). With a working vac modulator and not-leaking switch I get smooth starts and shifts. First to second to third. I live in generally flat country, and I do travel over hills and mountains. When my switch was bad I always felt the trans was doing the same thing a K1 spring kit problem would do, rev up and not shift unless I backed off the throttle and forced a shift to a higher gear. So, the basic questions: how many miles on your car, how long have you had it, how long has it been doing this ? As you know the diesel has no engine vacuum like a gas engine, and the trans shifts based on vacuum signals. The vacuum in a diesel is created mechanically with a pump and used to simulate the load of a gas engine. So, I suspect quirky vacuum problems (easy,easy, easy to solve). If your mechanic is a gasser mechanic, he might overlook this vacuum thing. With brake pedal pressed vacuum can drop, like a gas engine under load, this could put you in second (like you state). When brake pedal is let go the vacuum could jump, creating the same situation as no load in a gasser. Maybe this explains the odd behaviour.
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I have adjusted the modulator - less pressure will shift out of first, but then flair between 2nd and 3rd if it doesn't jump to 3rd and skip 2nd entirely.
I have a new 3-way valve and a new VCV so the vacuum is good and to spec. When you say your car shifts from first to second to third, do you mean from second to third to fourth since it's a four speed? That would answer my question about a second gear start, and would raise another question... why does my car kickdown to first gear off the line? Could you explain your brake pedal/vacuum drop explanation? I'm not quite following how the brake pedal has anything to do with the vacuum. Is there an electronic mechanism that I'm not aware of? Thanks Last edited by davidfaulk; 03-28-2007 at 01:11 AM. |
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I think models prior to 1981 had 2nd gear start.
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My '80 300TD starts in first.
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the 80 300sd has an electronic module to give the 1st gear on takeoff.the module commonly go bad and is located in the passenger footwell just ahead of the door under the trim panel.mine had a burned trace which i repaired.made quite a difference
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According to my 79 300sd factory repair manual. When you are stopped with your foot on the brake the transmission is in second. As soon as you let the brake off, the transmission changes to first and then back to second at around 5mph under normal acceleration.
The manual says the reason for second gear while at a stop is to cut down on the car trying to creep forward. My 300sd does exactly as described.
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