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Engine dies when put in gear
After putting everything back together from my recent compression test (with disappointing results: 180, 300, 240, 330, 260) it's running again. IP start of delivery adjustment, soaking the injectors in MMO for a week and filling the cylinders with MMO didn't have any effect whatsoever. It's still hard to start and it dies if you let go of the pedal. Once the engine is hot, it runs at 800 to 900 rpm but misses every now and then, it smokes moderately and additionally, now it dies immediately when you put it in gear unless you play with the pedal. Is there an adjustment for that?
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I assume there was another post on this? You have checked your valve clearances? Strange the engine should drop back from 8-900 rpms idle to a stall when engaging the transmission. Is the 8-900 rpm idle being used to cover up a cylinder not on line?
Loosen one injector line nut at a time and listen. Or get your idle back down to normal speed and listen plus test the engine as well at idle. You may be short a cylinder. I would think the lower compression would hurt the starting ability of the engine a little more so than the running. A lot of engines out there do not have great compression overall but once running do okay. If by any chance you have not adjusted your valve clearances or at least verified you have some clearance. When in there have a good look at the camshaft as well. You also helped prove on normal diesel fuel any carbon buildup if any in the ring grooves is not a common factor usually. Unless the basis of your individual compression problem is poor sealing valves and your rings are in pretty good shape. More than normal blowby? Air filter saturated? Oil consumption high? Last edited by barry123400; 06-07-2007 at 12:30 PM. |
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It even dies when the AC compresser goes on. ...and when I move the steering wheel it dies, too... I didn't try the radio yet.
And no, I didn't check the valves because compression on 1-4 went way up with some oil in the cylinders, 5 didn't change, though. Lots of blowby, airfilter soaked, oil consumption is high but not excessive (less than 1 quart per 1000miles), considering that it's slightly leaking as well. To be honest, I'm tired of working on this car. Ever since we had it, it was a waste of time and money. Now besides the engine not running right (it never did, not even after the valve adjustment 10k miles ago), it now has a cracked windshield, the power steering gear box started leaking (badly!), the starter works only sometimes, cruise control never worked, and although I spent $1500 on a welding job, the body doesn't look that great either. I think I'll just give it up and part it out.
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woah! before you condem it, pop off the linkage, pull the 4 nuts holding the valve cover on, and get in there and check the valves clearance on the low compression pot. I bet you find tight valves, and get the car running great in less than 2 hours.
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Oh well, I'll give it a try some day next week...
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Still runs like crap...
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Right now it runs smooth and quiet (still misses sometimes), but it needs 1000rpm to stay running once put in "D" or "R" and/or with A/C. Additionally I noticed some blue smoke while decelerating; however, we don't have hills here so I can't do the "downhill-test".
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Andy, I think you might be chasing a lost cause.
With 180 compression in one cylinder, it's not making any power and probably barely lighting the fuel. You've probably got some white smoke with it. The cylinder at 240 is also not pulling it's weight as compared to the remaining three. So, the engine has insufficient torque at 700 rpm to handle the load from the torque converter. I presume the situation is better after it warms up thoroughly and the compression comes up a bit. But, providing the cam timing and IP timing are reasonably close to specs, I don't think you'll find a magical solution for it. |
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the vultures are circling
I presume your talking about the 84 300dt? If you part it out I might be interested in some parts. What color is the interior? Blue leather I hope.
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I might... I'm not sure yet, maybe I donate it and take the tax write off. And yes, it's blue, but certainly not in showroom condition... What do you need? PM me.
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RE: I think I'll just give it up and part it out...
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Good idea-unless you want to sink thousands more into it. If you're patient you can find a great deal on these Benzs. Most were purchased by 'elderly' folks...who saw the inherent wisdom of diesel...and didn't care that they couldn't hit 60 in 2 seconds. Bide your time. But do NOT give up!
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