The issue again is that it doesn't have the bypass section. Apparently one needs that section for really good oil filtration.

I be leery of FRAM unless you can hold it in your hands and check quality. Apparently hit or miss.

Hope this helps...

It's not clear to me that it doesn't have a bypass section...but it may be a problem that the bypass section uses the same media as the full flow section. I've ordered one to examine up close.

I'm tired of hearing about Fram being junk. Most of the arguments highly subjective and lack meaningful data. That said, I mostly use Wix or Hastings filters.

Set a Hastings filter next the wix filter... See the metal covered section on the hastings? That's the bypass section and it collects the soot from our oil...

I understand and I also understand that the bypass section is filled with cotton mill chaff, aka floor sweepings. Fram lists this as a full flow filter, and it lists it for Mercedes diesel applications. Odd.

I've got a Mann filter for the 617 banging around my toolbox. Full of the cotton-field-mowings and I can't quite bring myself to throw it away, though it's very unlikely I'll ever use it in my own engine.

Free to a good home if anyone wants it. You pay shipping or PM me for local pickup here in Oregon.

I have some Mann Filters that have the Mercedes Star and part number embosed on the top and some not Mercedes marked ones. People use them with no issues despite what is inside of them.
Oddly the Mann Oil Filter that are Mercedes Marked came in CAM-2 Boxes?

My objections to the trashy Cotton that is in the top is if it is not sealed in and that the Oil Filter Companies have no idea what filtration level the trashy Cotton has.

If the trashy Cotton is sealed in there is nothing unsafe about using the Filters.

I have used Bosch, Mann, Knetch (can't spell it and I don't have a box to look at) and Hengst before.

Long ago I added a Bypass Oil Filter and now I can use any Filter I want to without issues.

I was buying "Lots" of Oil Filter on eBay when the price was good so I have a bunch of them.

See pics for out of production Filters. I have the 2 Quaker State Filters. The Fram with the paper Element on both ends of the Filter apppears to be the same as the Quaker State ones; perhaps made by the same company.
The pic of the Fram came from a Seller on eBay; I don't have that one.

The Bosh Filters I was using visually were well made but there is zero marks on the to say where they are made. Since I have a lot of Oil Filters I have not bought anymore Bosch Filters. But, from the Pictures Bosch seems to be boxing the made in India Filters with the red holed Paper around the full flow section (same as purolator and STP). If so it is not well made and the upper tube is not sealed on either end.

Fram CH2930 now looks like a traditional "double can":

FRAM - Part Details

I think it's almost pointless talking about brands, as the filters inside the box seem to change in source and construction all the time.

Agreed on all points. I had two filters, one was sacrificed under the knife, exploratory surgery. The cotton-field-mowings are not sealed into the filter, so I'm extremely reluctant to use the filter and at the same time don't really want to throw it away if someone is willing to use it. I also know that millions of engines use exactly this same filter for probably billions of combined miles and don't have issues and I'm being ridiculous, but never before have I intentionally dumped dirt and sand and bug carcasses into my engine and I don't intend to start now.

So uh, hehe, if anyone still wants it, shoot me a PM. I'll toss it as soon as I replace it with spare Baldwin or whatever the other brand is, I forget. Edit: D'oh, it's a few posts above. Baldwin or Hastings.

Part numbers?
 

Can anyone provide part #s for the Baldwin and Hastings?

What about Fleetguard? I never see that name mentioned.

Baldwin part number is P102 for 616/617 engines.

Baldwin P102 and Hastings LF380.

Picture Comparison of Hasings Filter to a Mann Filter.

I have not read of anyone cutting apart a Fleetguard Filter. That is likely due to the cost and availability of them.

Any of the European made Filters have good quality and are inexpensive if you order enough to get free shipping.

Bob the Oil Guy has comments on who makes Fleetguard.

I have not read of anyone cutting apart a Fleetguard Filter. That is likely due to the cost and availability of them.

I don't know if it is in the "Bob the Oil Guys" site or some other sites; but I read that the Fleetguard Filters were made by Champion Labs (as were a lot of name brand Filters) but that Frame bought the Out sometime with in the last 3 Years.
So what Fram is going to do I think is unknown

The European made Filters are still the least costly quality Filters if you get them on the internet in some quantity.

How is the Hastings compared to Baldwin? Filters as good?

I really like the fact under $8! http://www.********.com/dbphp/x,catalog,257,partnum,LF380,d,HASTINGS_FILTERS_LF380.html

I know the rocking auto isn't always the greatest, but for that price, think worth the risk?