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Old 12-16-2007, 04:27 PM
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Fortunately these two grades of fluid are interchangeable w/o any serious damage.
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Old 12-16-2007, 04:50 PM
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Mine says "OIL" on the cap but doesn't say anything about what kind. I don't know much about cars so I just went to the grocery store and bought this jug of stuff that said "oil" and dumped that in the crankcase... it's not made by Rotella, it's made by somebody called Canola. Anybody ever heard of it?
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Old 12-16-2007, 05:06 PM
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My Humble Opinions:

1. Gasoline engines, on dino oil, should get changes at 3000 miles unless the owner's manual specifies differently. Refer to Cardinal Rule # 1.

2. These Merc diesels, on dino oil, should get changes at 5,000 miles unless the owner's manual specifies differently. I refer to 116, 123, 124, 126 models only. Refer to Cardinal Rule # 1.

3. When running synthetic oil, I am not in a position to offer advice as I have never done it. However, based on the price of synthetic oil, if you do not run a longer interval with it than you would dino, it is not worth the extra cost. Dino oil is fine for engines that do not recommend synthetic oil in the owner's manual
Refer to Cardinal Rule # 1.
# 1. Refer to the owners manual. It was written by the manufacturer of the engine and is therefore to be considered the final answer unless you are convinced that you personally know better. It contains information about oil type and oil interval.

That's my $.02, for the record.
Would you happen to have any links to support or substantiate your 3,000 mile oil change opinions?
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Old 12-16-2007, 07:20 PM
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Opinions on oil change frequency outside MB edicts are just that.
What makes you think the opinion you are pushing is any better?

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Would you happen to have any links to support or substantiate your 3,000 mile oil change opinions?
Would you happen to have any links to support or substantiate your extreme oil change opinions?

I have yet to see you post anything to back up your claims. I have posted exactly what it tells us to do in the owners manual and it applies to all 240D, 300D turbo and 300CD turbo cars.

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Mercedes-Benz recommends FSS with pure synthetic.
What Mercedes recommends for their CDI engines has nothing to do with the IDI engines that make up the substantial majority around here. The CDI engines are nothing like the old IDI engines, they are barely the same breed. Using non-synthetic in a CDI can permanently damage it while the 61x can run straight SAE40 it's entire life without damage from it.

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Old 12-16-2007, 07:26 PM
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Would you happen to have any links to support or substantiate your extreme oil change opinions?
I was quite certain you would not be able to substantiate in any way your claim of Mercedes-Benz Co. requiring 3,000 mile oil changes.

Your claim does not exist anywhere, for any Mercedes-Benz model or year, let alone FSS..
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Old 12-16-2007, 07:29 PM
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Your claim does not exist anywhere, for any Mercedes-Benz model or year.
Point out where I approved 3000mile oil changes? Nowhere? That's right, I have said 2500-5000miles with dino oil (as the manual tells us to) and 3700-10,000miles with synthetic.

In fact, Mercedes says right in the owner's manual that 2500miles for severe conditions is the correct OCI. Therefore, 3000miles for most people is too long.

I have oil sample analysis' to back up my mileage claims for synthetic. I know it is safe to travel 7,100miles+ under averagely severe (city) conditions with synthetic oil. The only reason I changed at 7,100 and not 8,000-10,000 is that a year had passed, as the manual suggests I should do. Do you have anything like that?
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I was quite certain you would not be able to substantiate in any way your claim of Mercedes-Benz Co. requiring 3,000 mile oil changes.

Your claim does not exist anywhere, for any Mercedes-Benz model or year, let alone FSS..
Who made that claim? I can't find it.
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... 3000 miles is a good oil change compromise...
Right here, you recommended 3,000 mile oil changes.

Shall I post a link to it?
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Point out where I approved 3000mile oil changes?
See my previous post quoting you.
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Old 12-16-2007, 07:39 PM
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Who made that claim? I can't find it.
Forced Induction did.......

See above quote.
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Old 12-16-2007, 07:42 PM
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Right here, you recommended 3,000 mile oil changes.

Shall I post a link to it?
If you re-read it you will see it is an endorsement, NOT a recommendation.

Keep grasping at those straws SRJ.
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Old 12-16-2007, 07:43 PM
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NOBODY has made a claim of Mercedes-Benz Co. requiring 3,000 mile oil changes.

3,000miles is the industry accepted OCI for most personal cars on the road but has never been meant to supersede manufacturer's requirements. It is better to change the oil early and waste money/oil in favor of a more healthy and long-living engine.

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Old 12-16-2007, 07:50 PM
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NOBODY has made a claim of Mercedes-Benz Co. requiring 3,000 mile oil changes.
NO manufacturer uses your 3,000 mile claim.

I was certain it was not Mercedes-Benz. Reread your posts.....
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Old 12-16-2007, 07:56 PM
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NO manufacturer uses your 3,000 mile claim.
Once again, grasp those straws and point out where someone said 3000miles was a manufacturer suggested OCI.

I suggest you reread all the posts and google a bit before you reply.
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Old 12-16-2007, 09:16 PM
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SRJ,

Welcome to my world.

I have been fighting these insane oil change intervals for years now, on this board. It all started when I challenged the "change it hot and change it often" guy. He recommended 3k miles changes and leaving the oil drain plug out overnight just to make sure you get that last drop out! Yes, you heard/read me correctly.

But you can use all the logic you want, and you still won't convince them. And I've figured out why.

It's because they don't change their oil every 3kmiles for the car, they do it for themselves. I've termed this auto mechanic masturbation.

Auto mechanic masturbation is when you feel you have to do something with the car, something easy, just so you get the rush of it. Most can change their own oil. It gives them a feeling of accomplishment, even though they really haven't done anything productive.

And, of course, you have an industry that continues to spew this crap because it sells oil. Those two things in combination explain why guys still change their oil every 3kmiles.

In order to shock them out of this, I have stopped changing my oil in my 300D in an attempt to convince them. I'll pull the filter once a year, and do topoffs, but no changes. If I go 100 or 200k miles, perhaps a few of them will see how ridiculous it is to change oil every 3kmiles.

But given that it's really a mental disease, it's not likely I'll convince many.

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PS...and a word of caution. When you point out things like this to some people they get very very hostile. I've been called more names than I can count on this board. Of course, when I responded, I was banned...first for 3 months, then for 6. However, none of the name callers were ever banned. Take that for what it's worth.
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