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Old 11-16-2007, 07:05 PM
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99 E300 engine stalling help

My 99 E300 will run fine for miles, and then start sputtering while belching white smoke. You can see the tach fluttering and feel the engine pull then stall, pull then stall about one occilation per second. I think it is too fast to be mechanical and has to be electrical. Maybe a sensor or something. Any ideas?

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Old 11-16-2007, 08:09 PM
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Hi Ben,

Can you see any air bubbles flowing through the nest of plastic fuel lines? I was having a similar but not so severe problem until I replaced the O-rings in my fuel system. I saw quite a bit of air coursing through the lines before I did the work.
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:14 PM
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I must second the idea of air bubbles. You most likely have some bas seals on the plastic fuel lines. You could replace all of the o-rings on each line; however, for peace of mind I would recommend changing all lines for new. You can also use the old prefilter line to perform diesel purges in the future.
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:21 PM
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Third vote bubbles

Eliminate the obvious chronic source first.
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I had this same problem this time last year...it turned out my main fuel filter was full of water...just for kicks have it replaced and see if that doesn't cure it. It's the time of year a lot of condensated water collects in the fuel systems so a good time to replace the filter.
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Old 11-16-2007, 11:58 PM
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For air to be the problem it would have to be a massive influx to cause it to die while running. If such a leak existed one would have to expect you would also be expiriencing hard or no start conditions in the mornings too.
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Old 11-17-2007, 09:33 AM
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Can't see it being an air leak tbh. White smoke usually is water.
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Old 11-17-2007, 02:07 PM
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Can't see it being an air leak tbh. White smoke usually is water.
True, or improperly burned fuel. Too cool as opposed to too rich IIRC...
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:00 PM
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E300 update

I replaced all fuel lines with new less than a year ago due to a leak letting air in. I didn't assume that it was air this time because the problem occurs when driving vs. just starting. With the air once up and running it was ok. I'll check it though. Also I've heard something about a K40 relay, and I'll check the fuel filter tomorrow. Keep the ideas coming. Thanks, Ben
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:04 PM
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possible sensor or electrical

The reason i suspect it is electrical is that I can put the car in neutral, cut the key off and re-start. The engine will then run fine wide open throttle and push you back into the seat with acceleration as opposed to not being able to even go 40mph. So I know that cars ignore some sensor data for the first 60 seconds or so of driving due to waiting on components to warm up. I don't know much about the electricals on this engine. Thanks, Ben
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The reason i suspect it is electrical is that I can put the car in neutral, cut the key off and re-start. The engine will then run fine wide open throttle and push you back into the seat with acceleration as opposed to not being able to even go 40mph.
Now that sounds more like the classic MAF fault. No CEL?

Try cleaning the MAF with CRC cleaner made for that purpose. If that doenst help you could try testing per the attached.

http://www.x-desk.net/ximages/21302_pgsi0079en.pdf
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The reason i suspect it is electrical is that I can put the car in neutral, cut the key off and re-start. The engine will then run fine wide open throttle and push you back into the seat with acceleration as opposed to not being able to even go 40mph. So I know that cars ignore some sensor data for the first 60 seconds or so of driving due to waiting on components to warm up. I don't know much about the electricals on this engine. Thanks, Ben
This is EXACTLY what mine did too...it's the fuel filter, I'm telling you. Mine would run OK for about 5 minutes then start to stumble, crap out and stall with a HUGE cloud of white smoke out the exhaust. I'd restart it and it would be fine after that. The next morning the same thing. After the second day I changed the fuel filter which was full of water...after that never again! I think stopping and starting it would allow enough fuel to enter the filter until the next time it filled up again.

Look, the filter is cheap and easy to replace...try it you have little to lose.
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Old 11-18-2007, 01:03 PM
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The poster and I have communicated offline....he has bad DV seals not mentioned previously.

Based upon that info, I'd suggest:

1) R & R DV seals (and every other fuel line seal at same time)
2) R & R main fuel filter
3) Clean/test MAF
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:34 PM
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If you do suspect the MAF, don't whatever you do buy from a Mercedes dealer. The insert is a Bosch part, and you can purchase it from a Bosch outlet at a considerably lower price. Its only a plug and 2 torx bolts.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:57 PM
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I'm very skeptical that it could be the MAF and you not get a CEL...most of the time you get the CEL without even any symptoms but when the car is running so badly due to the MAF I would think you would be throwing codes left and right.

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