Hello all,

I have heard that the major reason not to run Jet A in a diesel, is the lack of lubrication additives for the injector pump and reciprocating engine. Does anyone know what can be added to make it an acceptable fuel, if so what mix ratio and where do I get it. I have access to about a 1000 gallons at no cost.
Thanks Matt

Good Question.....

if I may ask how does one get ahold of 1000 gallons for free?

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I have a friend who is a pilot, and uses Jet A in his mb. I will ask to see if there are any issues. Since it's free I don't think he cares

Yeah really, with the savings on that you could get a new engine every 2-3 years....so I doubt it would be a huge concern. If it is, you can always dump in a bottle of Power Service or Redline Catalyst to give it lubricity.


Also, WHERE can I get some free Jet A?!?

I did get 14.8 gallons of diesel free today from my credit card/speedway rewards program though. $53 worth...free! Its always nice to have the needle go from 1/4 tank to incredibly full and know it didn't cost anything.

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Here is what you need:
http://www.fppf.com/lubricity100.asp

I run Jet A1 in my 350D. I add a quart of Marvel Mystery oil per 25 gallons and 3/4 oz per gallon of Power Services Diesel Supplement. A couple things you need to check for: make sure the fuel is clear, cloudy means lots of suspended water, and there isn't anything growing in it. You may also want to see if you can find out what additives are in the fuel. We use Biobor in ours, so algae growth is not a concern.I filter mine through a paint strainer into my storage drums and then filter it before it goes in the tank. If your engine runs hotter than normal, add more oil. I've had friends using turbine in their vehicles for many years, one has overe 400K on his Chevy and as long as you make sure the fuel is clean and mixed as above you won't run into any probelms. At least we haven't.
Wayne

I would think a good slug of B99 biodiesel, or even some virgin vegetable oil mixed in would cure any lubricity problems. Of course, I've never tried it with jet fuel, so my opinion is worth the $0 it cost you.

Cheers, John

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Add some transmission fluid.

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What is the cost of Jet A1?

and where can we buy it?

At the airport and about 4.50/gallon last week.

Are the airlines paying $4.50 a gallon??? If they are...WHOA.

A trans-Atlantic flight can consume over 3,500 gallons of fuel on a large jet/fully loaded. Its just crazy to think about, at every moment, there are hundreds and hundreds (thousands probably) of jets flying around, all burning ginormous amounts of fuel.....its...just not sustainable forever. Someday we're going to have a bunch of jets sitting around.....

Short-haul flights are one of the most inefficient ways of travel.....its crazy.

3500 * 4.50 = $15,750!!! Now THAT is a costly fill-up!

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I second the biodiesel. Somebody did a study where as little as 5% biodiesel mixed with #2 increased the lubricity greatly. One might have to add more to a tank of jet A, but $6 per tank is cheap insurance considering you're not paying a dime for the fuel.

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3500 gallons? Ha ha.. funny. Let me give you some perspective.. The shortest range Boeing 777, the 777-200 has a range of 5000 nautical miles, with a maximum fuel capacity of 31,000 gallons and has a mtow (max takeoff weight) around 545,000 lbs. New York to London is about 3,500 nautical miles. So lets see, that's right around 25,000 gallons for a transatlantic flight, in a very efficient airplane. Of course conditions like actual weight, and temps aloft/flying speeds do vary, so the consumption can go up or down. If you want to jump up to the 777-300ER you're talking a max fuel capacity of almost 48,000 gallons. With a range of over 14,000 nm and max tow of 775,000 lbs. That's three quarters of a million pounds. On a long hauls, it's tens of thousands of gallons of fuel.
All that being said, the airlines do not pay retail for their fuel, the way some of us corporate operators do. No airline in the world would be in business paying $4.50 a gallon. They buy millions of gallons of fuel at a time, under contracts from producers to control the price and avoid volatile market fluctuations.
Back to the topic, my 300SD and my co-pilot's Jetta have been happily burning Jet-A for years.

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