I have a feeling the Chinese are gearing up to kick the industrialized world's ass. They are just feeling their way along right now, copying Western products for less, producing inferior products in many cases. They will learn how to do quality control, figure out which costs can be cut and which ones are neccessary as time goes on.

I'd want to see evidence that they were at that point with whatever product I planned to use, before I put it into my car.

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OBK #55

1998 Lincoln Continental - Sold
Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 90,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 122,000 miles
2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

If bosch can't do it, I doubt that you can.

Please elaborate, Twitch. If Bosch can't do what? And who is "you?"

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OBK #55

1998 Lincoln Continental - Sold
Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 90,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 122,000 miles
2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

In the words of my old boot camp company commander, "Not just no, but f**k no!"

I'm sure that they have highly capable craftsman that are actually quite good at their jobs. I'm actually typing this on a laptop that was probably made in China for the most part. It's difficult to avoid Chinese products completely. However, when you can easily find examples of the brutality of the PRC government like this one, I have to try. Tiananmem square wasn't that long ago.

From experience I can tell you that the Indian and Chinese stuff ranks at the bottom.

Everything from the poor steel quality, control of the heat treatment, and the sub par spray hole manufacturing that result in uneven flow rates between parts.

I have found in my inbox almost daily from being associated in the Diesel parts business constant "offers" to purchase these parts at a cost that nears impossible. While at the same time in daily work we replace these things that are marketed to be "perfect copies" A four to five dollar part can only have so much quality left after they take their profit out of the transaction.

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1987 300TD ( under resto )
1987 300E SOLD
1987 300D
1993 400E
1997 Dodge/Cummins 3500
2004 E320 Wagon SOLD
2006 BMW M5 Yes, they will go 204 MPH SOLD
2008 BMW 535i SOLD (POS)
2011 BMW X5 Diesel
2013 X5M Tuned to 700+ HP Stupid Fast SOLD
2016 Nissan Titan XD Cummins 5.0!
2004 Audi Quattro ( track car ) AutoX machine
2010 BMW 328i ( sometimes track, but the Audi is faster )


I own maybe 100 t-shirts and they all smell like Diesel fuel and test oil......

Well, this thread is going places that I never imagined it would.

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'77 300D Euro Delivery
OM617 turbo / 4-speed swap
404 Milanbraun Metallic / 134 Dattel MB-Tex

Current status:
* Undergoing body work

My '77 300D progress thread

77 300D

I agree that there is alot of junk coming from China. Just look at all of the toys that are currently being recalled. But the fact remains, they are capable of producing quality items when they want to. Example: Living in the hurricane capital of Florida, I decided that I needed a generator capable of powering my whole house including several refrigerators ( keep the beer cold ), A/C, lights, etc. I thought 12 KW would do it.. I found a Chinese made single cylinder Changfa diesel engine that puts out 22 hp. It cost less than $800 including the freight to get it here and it is quite an engine. Turns out these things are used all over the third world for powering whole villages, pumps, Flour mills, oil presses, and even boat engines. They are made to run practically forever, and they aren't fussy about what fuel they burn. They are simple to work on and come with a part parts kit that will keep it going for ever I think.

To make a long story short, I built the generator and it works fine. I can't produce power as cheap as the Electric Company, but I can produce it here were I need it during the worst of conditions.

PM sent

Did you ever read my "Calling all injector DIYers" thread?

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1987 300D (230,000 mi on a #14 head-watching the temp gauge and keeping the ghost in the machine)
Raleigh NC - Home of deep fried sushi!

I have experience as a tractor dealer repairing Chinese, I NEVER SOLD ANY, tractors.
Let me tell you everythAng and I mean everything on them is junk. The fuel injection, engine in general, right down to the lug nuts that suck.
Tractors with 40 hours from new warranty not honored and the cam gear sticking thru the engine front cover. Then another with a stripped IP drive. No luck customer threw 10K away.
I guarantee you that the injectors would not hold up. Their springs are brittle, the the metal would not be of the same quality, heck the threads will be goofy, everything.
Heck the bosch injectors I bought thru a foreign car parts store were that much. $65 or $70.
Don't mess with any chinese crap.

They're Communist you would not want to support them would ya?
Lol the minimum wage is going UP how do you think it is gonna drop down to $2.00 the majority of the population is not that wealthy they would not let the Government cut them down to slaves without a fight. soon I think their will be a revolution in government and things will begin again just like the medevil times there where 3 classes RICH POOR and Middle class well sooner or later they realized that and there where changes now a few thousand years later HISTORY IS REPEATING as it always does and we will do something about it sooner or later the government is getting away with too much and If we don't do anything to stop it then we're screwed and get ready for a police state and no freedom theres too much crap coming from the government I think its time we flush IT and start with a new bowl.

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"Even a clock that does not work is right twice a day"Polish proverb.

Although this is not related... Or maybe it is.. Check out this crash test of a new Chinese 2007 "Brilliance" and 4WD crash test.

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- GreaseCar Veg System

Very interesting comments regarding China and products from there. I personally hate to buy anything "Made In China" and always find a European product to be of very high quality. China has become the ubiquitous cheap labor market .

Unfortunately, Bosch , Vemo, Siemens etc.. are all having product made in China. That is, replacement or OE Mercedes , BMW etc...
I don't like it, but I must think that the German companies that are doing this must have some very tight QC going on at the factories in China. Some of the items are simply cast or machined in China and assembled in Germany or other Euro country. Remember , the price of beer is going out of control in Germany...

The strange thing about this is that I have heard from some independent repair shops that the failure rate for certain items made in Germany and China is lower for those items made in China - - I will never understand that but it is what I have seen as well. Very unfortunate. Let's look to Bucyrus Erie for the answer.

The funny fact is that the same made in India BOSCH pumps and injectors are used in the huge number of commercial and private diesel vehicles in India. Outside the cities, the condition of diesel is usually atrocious, adulterated diesel fuel is commonplace, so is dirty water and algae contaminated fuel and yet, day after day, these diesel vehicles manage to survive and run. The only reason I would guess about the QC issues on the BOSCH nozzles from India could be that they were made by 3rd party instead of BOSCH for some time. Only recently did BOSCH India which is a 40 year old company there expand to accommodate the heavy load. Diesel is heavily subsidized in India so apart from commercial, significant portion of automobiles sold in India are diesel, that would include various Skoda, SUVs, Mercedes C-220 and E class etc. Force motors in India makes the C class engine for Mercedes as well as the tranny. They have also started manufacturing MAN trucks. Force's relationship with MB goes back from 60s, same goes for Tata who was the first non German manufacturer of MB engines in Asia. Considering all that, do you really think the Germans or MB would wish to jeopardize their reputation by relegating manufacture of all this to an inferior party?

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99 Gurkha with OM616 IDI turbo

2015 Gurkha with OM616 DI turbo

2014 Rexton W with OM612 VGT

I've seen very high quality stuff roll out of both India and China, so I'm not surprised in the least. To say that either country is incapable of making good products, or worse, that they intentionally export junk just isn't true. For all the people that want to point at the junk and scream about it, stop and consider who it is that continues to import the products, frequently without ever attempting to improve quality unless legal ramifications threaten them.

Bosch injection parts from India are of great interest to me. If the issue with their nozzles, for example, was due to them farming them out to a third party for manufacture, I wouldn't be surprised at all. If, as you suggest, they have expanded their facilities there, and no longer farm out the work, then that would suggest a possibility that the nozzles made there might have increased in quality. Do you have some evidence to suggest that they have improved? I'll be happy to hear it if they have.

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- K.C.Adams

'77 300D Euro Delivery
OM617 turbo / 4-speed swap
404 Milanbraun Metallic / 134 Dattel MB-Tex

Current status:
* Undergoing body work

My '77 300D progress thread

This point has been brought up before. People driving 25 year old cars could never hurt the reputation of any company. Almost all people would just think that it is normal for old cars to have problems.