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View Poll Results: How would you feel about Chinese-made nozzles?
I'd give them a shot if the price were right. 4 8.51%
I'd only consider them after hearing positive reports from other users. 12 25.53%
I would not consider a Chinese made nozzle under any circumstances. 31 65.96%
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Old 12-08-2007, 04:39 AM
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If you don't mind, how did you hear that? I just talked to them today (email) and I've gotten about 30 or so for other people. UNLESS you mean the SD 240, specifically? That one is not being produced because the design has been revised and the newer ones are much cleaner and more efficient. They got rid of the pilot hole but still got them to make the engine to run smoothly.

Pierburg (now owned by Reinmetal) is supposed to still be making KCA style parts.
I did mean that nozzle specifically. My contact with them seemed to indicate that they may still have stock available somewhere, but are not manufacturing them. They did not offer info regarding an updated part, though. Are the newer nozzle designs they're making intended as upgrades for all vehicles that used the SD 240, or not? I would think they'd tell me they had interchangeable parts, but I did not specifically ask, so perhaps they would not. This warrants further investigation. Thanks!
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Old 12-08-2007, 05:45 AM
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Never. We import enough cheap junk from China as-is, we don't need more.

I'm happy to pay the higher price for non-china merchandise.
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No, I would not knowingly use chinese parts for my cars. It just seems wrong to have chinese parts in german cars.

As far as the quality of chinese products, they can make anything in varying levels of quality. Most computer and electronic components are made in china, and in fact I just read that every laptop in the world regardless of brand is made in or near Shanghai.
Beside profit motives, a lot of the reason that companies seek solutions in china is that they have an incredible state of the art manufacturing infrastructure and can take anything from the drawing board to production in weeks.
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Old 12-08-2007, 08:25 AM
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No, I would not knowingly use chinese parts for my cars. It just seems wrong to have chinese parts in german cars.

As far as the quality of chinese products, they can make anything in varying levels of quality. Most computer and electronic components are made in china, and in fact I just read that every laptop in the world regardless of brand is made in or near Shanghai.
Beside profit motives, a lot of the reason that companies seek solutions in china is that they have an incredible state of the art manufacturing infrastructure and can take anything from the drawing board to production in weeks.
Yeah, in a way it seems slightly wrong. Then again, I'd take a known good Chinese nozzle over a questionable Bosch India one any day.

The laptop comment is interesting. My laptop is about two years old, and the mainboard was made in Taiwan, but things could have changed in two years. I know for a fact that my wife's Gateway Laptop was assembled completely in China, but what percentage of parts in it are of Chinese origin, I do not know. The setup menu contains "Engrish" text, though.
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Every one just hang loose. Companies have products made off shore because it is cheaper and they can make more money. Soon you will see a complete seperation of classes and the US will also have people living in cardboard boxes and eating what ever they can find in the garbage. When that time comes, the products we use will be make in the US using $2.00 a day labor and they will be cheaper than off shore products. Of course this will mean there will be no need for the injectors made here because the rich will just buy new cars and the poor won't be able to afford a car at all much less repair parts. If you will just think about this, you will see that it is not far fetched. Until we get polititions and CEOs that care about their people more than they care about money, things will only get worse.\
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In the words of my old boot camp company commander, "Not just no, but f**k no!"

I'm sure that they have highly capable craftsman that are actually quite good at their jobs. I'm actually typing this on a laptop that was probably made in China for the most part. It's difficult to avoid Chinese products completely. However, when you can easily find examples of the brutality of the PRC government like this one, I have to try. Tiananmem square wasn't that long ago.
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In the words of my old boot camp company commander, "Not just no, but f**k no!"

I'm sure that they have highly capable craftsman that are actually quite good at their jobs. I'm actually typing this on a laptop that was probably made in China for the most part. It's difficult to avoid Chinese products completely. However, when you can easily find examples of the brutality of the PRC government like this one, I have to try. Tiananmem square wasn't that long ago.

Well, this thread is going places that I never imagined it would.
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to all of you who are willing to spend more for part and tools of European or North American extraction, what happens in the next 10 or so years when those sources more completely dry up. Better start stockpiling parts cars with low miles on the injectors etc.

Its not so much about East vs. West as much as it is a case in point of the the design and manufacturing ethics and standards in the world today. The general quality of manufactured goods hasn't been reduced because widgets are being produced in China and India..and Mexico, El Salvador, Brazil, but rather because Americans among others demand ownership of an increasing amount of stuff and there will always be someone willing to make and market and sell it to them.

We in the west rarely demand the highest possible quality in the machinery of our daily lives because we've proven time and time again that we will always spend less to get more, especially if its available in 24 eye catching colors to match the rest of our junk. There was a time when people depended on tools and machines to make their living and did not have time to waste on sub-standard goods. Our roles have changed. We are increasingly just role players in a get it now, get it here, get more later business model. Our overweening excess wealth has of course precipitated a whole industry of scavengers, funded by us (investment), manufactured by the cheapest labor to insure the maximum return on the investment, and dedicated to the principle that as soon as it breaks, another sale in immanent.
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I did mean that nozzle specifically. My contact with them seemed to indicate that they may still have stock available somewhere, but are not manufacturing them. They did not offer info regarding an updated part, though. Are the newer nozzle designs they're making intended as upgrades for all vehicles that used the SD 240, or not? I would think they'd tell me they had interchangeable parts, but I did not specifically ask, so perhaps they would not. This warrants further investigation. Thanks!
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They're Communist you would not want to support them would ya?
Lol the minimum wage is going UP how do you think it is gonna drop down to $2.00 the majority of the population is not that wealthy they would not let the Government cut them down to slaves without a fight. soon I think their will be a revolution in government and things will begin again just like the medevil times there where 3 classes RICH POOR and Middle class well sooner or later they realized that and there where changes now a few thousand years later HISTORY IS REPEATING as it always does and we will do something about it sooner or later the government is getting away with too much and If we don't do anything to stop it then we're screwed and get ready for a police state and no freedom theres too much crap coming from the government I think its time we flush IT and start with a new bowl.
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New Chinese 2007 Vehicle Crash Test

Although this is not related... Or maybe it is.. Check out this crash test of a new Chinese 2007 "Brilliance" and 4WD crash test.
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Very interesting comments regarding China and products from there. I personally hate to buy anything "Made In China" and always find a European product to be of very high quality. China has become the ubiquitous cheap labor market .

Unfortunately, Bosch , Vemo, Siemens etc.. are all having product made in China. That is, replacement or OE Mercedes , BMW etc...
I don't like it, but I must think that the German companies that are doing this must have some very tight QC going on at the factories in China. Some of the items are simply cast or machined in China and assembled in Germany or other Euro country. Remember , the price of beer is going out of control in Germany...

The strange thing about this is that I have heard from some independent repair shops that the failure rate for certain items made in Germany and China is lower for those items made in China - - I will never understand that but it is what I have seen as well. Very unfortunate. Let's look to Bucyrus Erie for the answer.
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Did you ever read my "Calling all injector DIYers" thread?
Whoops, missed your post. I may have read it, since I think I've read just about every injector thread on the Internet at some point in the past six months. I'll go read over it again.

I'll get back to your PM, too.
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