E300d 1996-1999 - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

sokoloff · #16 12-17-2007, 04:48 PM

Torque converter drain plug disappeared in September, 1999 I think. My '99 has one and it was a March, 1999 build.

DieselAddict · #17 12-17-2007, 05:09 PM

Why would MB eliminate the drain plug? To make everyone's life more difficult?

TMAllison · #18 12-17-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict

Why would MB eliminate the drain plug? To make everyone's life more difficult?

This would have been in the midst of the "filled for life" era. More interesting question would be does the 722.9 have a TC drain plug or not?

aklim · #19 12-17-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict

I believe the '96 is the most reliable of them. It has the old-style, vacuum-operated transmission (no software bugs to deal with and easier to service), no turbo to warp the air filter box or leak oil, and no MAF that goes bad, though you may get to deal with sticking intake flaps instead.

Of course the non-turbo OM606 is quite weak compared to the turbo version, but it's more than adequate around town and normal highway driving.

I don't know about you but on our 99, we didn't have any issues with the 722.6 trans. Don't know what software bugs you are talking about. Can you elaborate?

We found the 99 quite weak and it is currently acceptable AFTER chipping it. Not sure how the wife will like the non-turbo one. As for me, I probably will hate it and not buy it for the reason it feels sluggish. The turbo one felt sluggish compared to the 99 C280 even.

aklim · #20 12-17-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TMAllison

This would have been in the midst of the "filled for life" era. More interesting question would be does the 722.9 have a TC drain plug or not?

According to Gilly:

Filled for life?
The 722.6 Automatic Transmission uses a special oil and is said to be filled for life. The oil can only be purchased through the Mercedes-Benz dealer using part number 001-989-21-03-10. A 722.6 holds about 9.3 liters and the fluid is sold by the liter. Checking the fluid is accomplished by breaking off the red locking seal located at the dip stick. the lock is replaced after the oil is checked. Use part number 140-991-00-55 for a new lock. There is no dip stick to check the ATF. You need a special tool to check the fluid on all 722.6 transmissions, part number 140-589-15-21-00. The oil level is a critical factor in transmission shifting. See Service Information 27A95105 for details. When you refill, or check thetransmission fluid level make sure that you check the level with the special tool and at the correct temperature. The latest information from Germany is that we should fill the oil to the MAX line. Not overfilled, just maxed out. This is said to improve shift quality. At normal level it is possible for the oil to form air bubbles. The increased level helps to minimize this. You might want to remember to try this on customer complaints involving shift quality before you replace any component. Along with setting the adaptation you would be surprised to see how much of an improvement you will see.

The Automatic Transmission fluid is said to be filled for life. We never specified who's life. (Yes, they actually wrote that in this!-DG) The transmission control module contains a program that keeps a running count of the "calculated" cndition of the ATF oil. (Note from Gilly-I believe this was deleted from the modules right around 2001-2002, not there anymore-DG) The factors that affect the oil are time and temperature. The counter is incremented with engine running time and incremented greater with higher ATF temperatures. The Hand-Held Tester (now SDS-DG) displays a numerical value that represents the value of the calculation. At some given point in time Germany will tell us (still waiting, evidently-DG) which number means its time to change the oil. For now there is no service interval for the ATF oil. If you replace a transmission you should re-set the counter back to zero to account for the new oil. If you are doing internal work and you are replacing the oil you should also re-set the counter. It is acceptable to drain the oil out into a clean container and reuse it, provided it was collected using the MB filter funnel. Remember to flush the converter and kines before installing the new transmission. You should also replace the converter if the transmission was HEAVILY contaminated with metal. Make sure you return the converter with the transmission to warranty. Fine metal particles in the bottom of the pan are allowed. (I think what they mean here is that fine metal particles are considered an "acceptable" condition, do NOT replace transmission, as you will see if you read on:-DG)

DieselAddict · #21 12-17-2007, 05:58 PM

aklim, see post #9. I don't remember what kind of bugs those were, but I remember reading about them a few years ago when I was searching around the forum. It seems that most of the problems involved the '97 model year which was the first one to have this transmission.

Yes, we all know how you think your E300 Turbodiesel is all poochy and barely acceptable. You forgot to mention that the only reason you got it was the increased mileage for your wife's commute.

DieselAddict · #22 12-17-2007, 06:03 PM

I must say I appreciate the dipstick on my 722.4 transmission.

Regarding the "filled for life" notion, for all practical purposes it means the warranty's life.

aklim · #23 12-17-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict

aklim, see post #9. I don't remember what kind of bugs those were, but I remember reading about them a few years ago when I was searching around the forum. It seems that most of the problems involved the '97 model year which was the first one to have this transmission.

Yes, we all know how you think your E300 Turbodiesel is all poochy and barely acceptable. You forgot to mention that the only reason you got it was the increased mileage for your wife's commute.

I was trying to see if anyone had anything more specific.

Yes, that was the reason we got it. However, SHE started complaining that it wasn't spritely as she would like it. Well, no kidding. It isn't as fun to drive as my Vette. Whoda thunk it? Right now, with the chip, it is acceptable AND we get 33 mpg cruising at 85 mph, in theory.

If she wants to hop it up, who am I to refuse? Hell, if I could be bothered one day, I'd borrow SDS and up the boost. Maybe a manually calibrated wastegate too. Faster spool up. I never argue with the wife when she says a car is poochy. So yes, we got it for better mileage for her long commute but we still want the acceleration. Too much power, IMO, is a good starting point.

aklim · #24 12-17-2007, 06:07 PM

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I must say I appreciate the dipstick on my 722.4 transmission.

The only sore point I can see is that you need SDS and the magical dipstick to check the level. However, I don't really care since I flush it every 60K whether MB says it needs it or not.

DieselAddict · #25 12-17-2007, 06:13 PM

Ever consider the E320 Bluetec? 400 ft-lbs of torque and still over 30 mpg on the highway.

aklim · #26 12-17-2007, 06:40 PM

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Ever consider the E320 Bluetec? 400 ft-lbs of torque and still over 30 mpg on the highway.

Every damn day of every damn week. Hoping the wife will agree to a change. Also, my mechanic tells me that they do have a bunch of stuff for it to make it go faster. All for the wife's sake, of course.

Jeremy5848 · #27 12-17-2007, 07:20 PM

The NA 606 engine does quite well if you keep your foot down and let the engine spin up to 4500 RPM or better. It really likes to rev, reminds me of my '64 Alfa Romeo Guilia Spyder. The E300D would be a lot more fun with a manual transmission. The auto shifts way too soon for my liking but I suppose that's better for the fuel economy. The car definitely feels underpowered if you try to lug it around at 2000 RPM. Does the 722.6 electronic transmission give you more control over shift points?

Jeremy

DieselAddict · #28 12-17-2007, 08:30 PM

Make sure your Bowden cable is adjusted all the way back for maximum tension. That will delay the upshifts to an acceptable point IMO. I agree this engine likes to rev and it's unlike a typical diesel engine where most of the torque is in the lower RPM range.

Jay Gibbs · #29 12-17-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by husk

The 99's are the last and best of the breed:

These include the inclusion of a LED third brake light on the rear hat rack

Fiber Optic Radio System

More Airbags

Also my 99 has the drain plug as well...build date 05/99 (Which would mean one of the last diesels built?)

Mine has a build date of 6/99 (serial # 940019) Don't know about the drain plug. I'll check next time I have the encapsulation panels off.

husk · #30 12-17-2007, 08:55 PM

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Mine has a build date of 6/99 (serial # 940019) Don't know about the drain plug. I'll check next time I have the encapsulation panels off.

WOW 6/99 yours might be the last one built , I was under the impression that May was the last month and June was the cross-over year. I have chassis number 931815.