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Old 01-15-2008, 11:05 PM
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diesel runaway damage

so the short of it is i went t start my car, it started reving up on it's own, i turned the key off but it still kept going, dunno what rpm because i have no tach but it was a lot higher than i've ever heard it and i heard some knocking clacking louder than i've ever heard. i thought the motor was going to fall apart, but it came down and and shut off, i started it after than and it seemed fine i figured no hard no foul.

Well i went to start it the next morning it felt like it mis fired a few times for 2 or 3 blocks or so at every stop when it would go down to idle. I also noticed for the first time white smoke on start up, i've been told there was some when it's cold but i've never been able see it from where i sit before or maybe i jsut notice it now.

what damage do you think might have been caused? it seems perfectly normal after it warms up and is on the freeway, maybe even better but when it's cold it's worse than ever
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Old 01-15-2008, 11:27 PM
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interesting. Its a 240d right?
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Old 01-15-2008, 11:35 PM
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Oh sorry, 1980 300D N/A
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:01 AM
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What could have caused this on a N/A engine? No turbo bearings oil leak potential.....was the oil in the crankcase at the right level? (at or below max marking) Did the throttle linkage stick perhaps? Did you press the pedal when starting it? Interesting.....
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:15 AM
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I bet the linkage was stuck or he had his foot on the throttle instead of the brake.
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:24 AM
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As pawoSd indicated something has to be giving it fuel to burn. Engine oil can be one of them. How about this: May be the accelerator pedal is comming all the way up and appears to be OK but there is something messed up on the linkage (as Forced said) to the pump. Another possible is the little nut that holds the throttle lever on the IP is loose; also if it has been loose for along time the slot the throttle lever fits in can wear. Something inside of the IP causing the rack to stick or something amiss in the IP govenor. The rack of the fuel injection pump is lubricated by the engine oil perhaps it has gotten gunked up. Also If it is really cold in your area and you are not using winter oil and gunked up could cause a sticky rack; when it gets warm it frees up.
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:38 AM
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I had a slight scare once as I used hot water on the engine in an attempt to warm it enough to help start it (had worked before) but the battery was too drained and it didn't work....so I left for 25 mins to go buy a charger/starter unit and when I came back the water had frozen all over the engine/linkages (didn't realize this had happened, it was -12F outside ) to the point that when I got it started and gave it a little throttle to help it stay running it began to rev up and continued when I let off the pedal as the ice jammed it! Luckily I acted fast with my foot and pulled the pedal forward before it even hit 3,500 rpm, but that was a SCARE. 3,500 rpm can't be good for an engine at 0F, at least it had 5w40 synthetic in it and I stopped it after like 2 seconds....plus there was no load on the engine either. wshew. It happened almost 20k ago, so I am assuming there was no real damage done....

Runaways.....scary thing! Never again will I pour water on my engine!
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I had a slight scare once as I used hot water on the engine in an attempt to warm it enough to help start it (had worked before) but the battery was too drained and it didn't work....so I left for 25 mins to go buy a charger/starter unit and when I came back the water had frozen all over the engine/linkages (didn't realize this had happened, it was -12F outside ) to the point that when I got it started and gave it a little throttle to help it stay running it began to rev up and continued when I let off the pedal as the ice jammed it! Luckily I acted fast with my foot and pulled the pedal forward before it even hit 3,500 rpm, but that was a SCARE. 3,500 rpm can't be good for an engine at 0F, at least it had 5w40 synthetic in it and I stopped it after like 2 seconds....plus there was no load on the engine either. wshew. It happened almost 20k ago, so I am assuming there was no real damage done....

Runaways.....scary thing! Never again will I pour water on my engine!
Apparently my heater cord has shorted out, so I was going to try the hot water trick tomorrow morning (starting is a tough bet at 16 deg. F overnight). I might rethink that now
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:33 PM
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Apparently my heater cord has shorted out, so I was going to try the hot water trick tomorrow morning (starting is a tough bet at 16 deg. F overnight). I might rethink that now
It works, just don't pour it over the linkages! If you pour it down the sides of the block its ok....when I did it I just poured it over the valve cover.
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Old 02-01-2008, 06:28 AM
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Thanks

Thanks for your help guys, I know this is a Merc site but it is the only place I have found where people have spoken about the runaway diesel in such depth, surely you don't mind a fellow German auto owner asking for some help

Spoke to the Mechanic this morning, he is in the process of assessing the damage as we speak, fingers crossed I might have got away with it and learned a valuable lesson in the process. The timing belt needs doing as well, as do the front passenger shocks and maybe the back ones too, I have dangled this carrott in front of him so maybe he will take it easy on me. He used to be my landlord, so I know him.

Regarding doing the work myself, well lets put it this way, I put 4 liters of oil in an already full engine, don't think mechanics is my thing, though I am planning to learn more now for sure.
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Apparently my heater cord has shorted out, so I was going to try the hot water trick tomorrow morning (starting is a tough bet at 16 deg. F overnight). I might rethink that now
try putting a hair dryer down the intake of the engine, that helps alot.
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:52 AM
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so the short of it is i went t start my car, it started reving up on it's own, i turned the key off but it still kept going, dunno what rpm because i have no tach but it was a lot higher than i've ever heard it and i heard some knocking clacking louder than i've ever heard. i thought the motor was going to fall apart, but it came down and and shut off, i started it after than and it seemed fine i figured no hard no foul.

Well i went to start it the next morning it felt like it mis fired a few times for 2 or 3 blocks or so at every stop when it would go down to idle. I also noticed for the first time white smoke on start up, i've been told there was some when it's cold but i've never been able see it from where i sit before or maybe i jsut notice it now.

what damage do you think might have been caused? it seems perfectly normal after it warms up and is on the freeway, maybe even better but when it's cold it's worse than ever
Geographic location please.
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Old 01-16-2008, 03:34 PM
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I had been cleaning the engine, see

i thought it might have just been some carb cleaner in there but i just found my friend's little brother put some seafoam in the intake, i'm guessing that's what did it. the linkage was not stuck and my foot was off the gas
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Old 01-16-2008, 04:10 PM
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Sounds like a darwin awards nomanee...
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Old 01-16-2008, 06:32 PM
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Sounds like a darwin awards nomanee...
don't disrespect folks if you can't even spell "nominee"...people might get the idea you didn't do so well in high school.
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