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Old 01-26-2008, 12:14 PM
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Great job. Is the proccess the same for a 1995 OM606 non turbo engine?

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Great job. Is the proccess the same for a 1995 OM606 non turbo engine?
Yes. Is the same for ALL 60x pumps. I would not recommend removing the valve elements or collars.
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Old 01-26-2008, 02:56 PM
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Old 01-26-2008, 03:09 PM
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How often is this job necessary? I am just beginning to notice a slight smell of Diesel and a loss of fuel efficiency in my 1998 with 162,000 miles. I inspected the top of the injection pump the other day and noted it was grimy and wet looking, and with my nose in the vicinity the Diesel fuel odor was pretty strong. I get no spots on the ground though, so the leakage rate is pretty low - seems it must be evaporating at nearly the same rate it is leaking.
Same symptoms here. Once done, you won't have to touch it for another 150,000 miles.

It won't be spurting out, but you'll always be able to smell hot diesel after each drive for as long as they leak.

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Old 03-25-2008, 06:26 PM
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2) You apparently didn't clean the top of the IP before taking it apart...this is a BIG NO-NO. It is a much better practice to thoroughly clean the top of the IP off so none of the crud falls into the DV holes or threads! That is the step that should come right after removing the IM - CLEAN OFF THE CRUD! I used brake cleaner, a toothbrush and compressed air.
I'll second that. Regardless of how well the crud will stay there, the top of the IP should be surgically clean. Carb or brake cleaner, a toothbrush and compressed air are perfect. Everything should be spotless. If you get even the smallest piece of dust in there... you'll be tearing it all back apart.

Anyway, one more thing which was left out... the 3-stage torque procedure for the barrels is 30Nm, release, 30Nm, release, final torque 30-35Nm. Some people have mentioned that later FSM procedures don't mention this requirement, but it won't hurt to do it. Don't overtorque, you can warp the pump body. Better to be under-torqued.

Here's a photo of the special socket:
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:52 AM
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Where can you buy the special socket from? My local Merc dealer (Bristol, UK) won't sell tools to the public...
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Is avail under the Special Tools Tab on this site and through tool sellers too. Google is your friend, or call another dealer who wants to sell stuff.
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Old 11-12-2008, 11:42 AM
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Yup. Find a dealer in the UK who will sell tools. I can't believe your dealer won't - what a stupid policy! Worst case, you can get one from the USA. Also try www.speed-autoteile.com in Germany, they can special order anything you want. Current USA dealer cost is $27.50, most dealers charge 30-50% markup on that, so I'd expect typical prices in the $35-$45 USD range.

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Thank you all a million times for this thread - I've worked on lots of engines in my time and each has it's own set of rules. There is priceless little information out there on the 606 MB Diesel and I can't thank you enough for this site with all it's DIY information.

I'm in the middle of replacing the glow plugs, injector return lines, checking timing chain stretch, and these delivery valve orings and copper seals are next in line.

Thanks a million!

I'm also curious about how to properly time a 606 inj pump at home, and, how to diagnose worn out injectors? my '95 has 265 on it, has had regular oil changes and other maintenance according to the owners manual - I've only had it for a few thousand miles and it's really sluggish....

how about the fuel filter in the tank? How do you go about replacing that?

I've already done the following:
Oil and filter (twice, 2nd time I used rotella 5w40 synthetic)
Fuel filter canister and pre filter
power steering filter and flush
transmission fluid, filter, pan gasket (including draining the converter)
steering damper
cruise control module
Blaupunkt MP57 mp3 player (plugs right in with no wiring modifications!!!)
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timing chain stretch inspection 2-3 degrees of stretch (the width of the timing pointer)
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Old 11-18-2008, 07:37 PM
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AFAIK there isn't a filter in the tank, there might be a screen though. Unless you're suffering from poor economy I wouldn't even consider looking at the fuel pump timing. If the chain is ok, leave it. Injectors are always worth a clean, but again only if you have poor economy or loud running. Mine is on 218,000 and the injectors have never been touched, and its still doing UK 40mpg.
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I have two primary concerns at this point:

1. Exhaust smoke after start up, and during acceleration is heavy.

2. Acceleration performance is poor.


Several questions as far as injectors go:

1. is a special socket required to remove injectors on a 606?

2. how many special tools are required to disassemble, inspect, clean and reassemble 606 injectors?

3. If the answer to #2 is "don't try this at home" at 265k miles with the smoky lack of acceleration - is it time to spend $55 x 6 and replace them?

4. is there a favorite place folks here send injectors to for inspection / testing / rebuilding?
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Old 11-18-2008, 11:36 PM
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1. Yes, a special socket is required for the 606 injectors - click here to see it. The part number is 606-589-00-09-00, dealer cost is $18, and it should be available as an OE tool for about $25 or so. I'd avoid the aftermarket Taiwan ones on eBay for $35, since the OE German tool is cheaper!

2. To take them apart & inspect the insides, you really just need a good, solidly mounted bench vise, preferably with brass jaws. You will need to read this PDF file before you consider cracking open injectors to play with the insides.

3. Not necessarily... the replacements / rebuilds should be matched so the pop pressures are within 5 bar (preferably 3 bar) from highest to lowest. I'd look into finding a local diesel shop that works on Bosch injectors and see what they want to inspect, clean, re-assemble, and test the set. They should also be able to tell you if the nozzles need replacement or not.

4. The only place I know of offhand is Pacific Fuel Injection in S.F., CA... Gus Pfister is probably one of the best Bosch rebuilders in the USA.


Side note about the performance.... have you already made sure all the resonance flappers in the intake are working 100% normally? That will kill performance if they're acting up! It shouldn't cause smoke at startup, though. I'd also make sure the EGR valve isn't stuck partially open.


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Old 11-19-2008, 07:02 AM
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Thanks a million GSXR -

I will look into that new socket and read the injector inspection information with great interest.

There should certainly be a shop around here that can rebuild these things, I'll have to do some searching.


Can you direct me to a link to teach me more about the intake manifold flap proper operation / testing / trouble shooting?

I did find some wire insulation in poor shape under the intake - that's on my list to repair as I put things back together again.
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Old 11-19-2008, 10:11 AM
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I don't have a link handy for the 606 intake flaps, but I believe there are several threads on this forum about that issue. See what you can find in a search. I don't have details since I've never worked on a 606 myself! I've just read about other people's trials & tribulations...

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Old 11-19-2008, 10:24 AM
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BTW - there is a strainer in the tank, which can get plugged up... but it's a real PITA to remove & clean (or replace).

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