WA State proposed engine displacement tax
 

Get ready to be raped if you live in Washington state. They are proposing and engine displacement tax as well as a tax on co2 emissions per mile. With just the displacement tax alone for my two cars each year it would be $225 for the 300SD and $400 for my 63 T-bird. With the CO2 tax I would get raped again because my SD has the Cali trap ox.

Diesel owners would get unfairly punished as a diesel engine needs a larger displacement to give the same power as a gas engine.

If you live in Washington State contact your state reps and urge them to kill this!!!!

I'd be amazed if it actually gets passed...

Be glad you do not drive a rattle joke, or one of the V-10 powered trucks.

I guess some "do gooder" heard
 

about how they do things in Europe.

lame... stupid laws and stuff

But in parts of Europe, don't you also get a tax credit for diesels?

It might not pass "this time"; but I bet it will not go away either. Im am thinking the state wants to qualify for some sort of Federal money if it dose something about reducing certain emissions. I is easier to gouge the regular citizen than some big Industry that can afford the Lawyers.
I hope it gets more people involved enough to vote out the bills sponsers.

Most of the west,
 

No. Not today but several years ago, in the early 90s.

I don't want to know what it will cost for my 6.9L F250.

Another reason it would suck to live in the NW.

What are the other reasons?
 

Funny, I've been in the NW for 28 years and can't think of one reason why it sucks to live here. I'd like to see your list.

Here is my letter to Sen. Maria Cantwell:

Ms. Cantwell

I have recently become aware of Senate bill 6900 relating to the tax of vehicles based on engine displacement. As a Civil Engineer, and husband of a Washington State Department of Transportation employee I am aware of how important funding for the State’s roadways is, but I believe that the State’s roadways are receiving adequate funding through the 2003 “nickel” funding package and the 2005 transportation tax package. Together these funding packages have or will fund 432 projects over a span of 18 years.

As an automotive hobbyist I own several older vehicles which are rarely driven, but would cost me an additional $1075 to register under the proposed bill. If and when the time comes where the current tax packages are not adequate to fund the states transportation system, I propose that another “use” based tax (such as a mileage or fuel tax) is enacted, rather than a “blind” tax such as the proposed displacement tax which needlessly penalizes vehicle owners with no respect to the amount of use or roadway wear that the vehicles produce.

Thank you for your time.

bgkast,

Thats a washington state proposed law, not a federal one.

Sorry I should have made that more clear

It was clear that it was from the State. I brought up the word Federal because money hungry States sometimes cater to the Fed. Gov. to get funds from them. I was speculating that this might be one of the motivations. Fed wants emissions reduced and will give $$$ if a state can do it; someone in the Stat Gov. thinks we can reduce emissions by having cars with smaller engines; some one thinks how can we get people to drive cars with smaller engines; we can tax the engine size (Good idea it won't effect us as we drive government provided cars).
Please see that these folks that support the good idea do not get re-elected!!!

I'd like to see the list too.:eek:

:splat: cr@p, I shound read more carefully. Oh well, I got it to the right people now. :rolleyes: :stupid:

This is an additional effort to control the public and their money, and therefore its behavior, all in the name of the biggest hoax ever -- Global Warming, or as it is being referred to now as Global Climate change. Ha, What a crock! Not falling for it, in fact, i blow smoke in the faces of hybrids! (BTW, How can i tune the car to get MORE smoke???!)

To the midwest and east coasters like me -- Remember what the left coast does eventually gets here. So their troublemaking must be pushed back while we have a chance.

Sorry to offend the non-politicians of the west coast. Not directed to you.

I believe global warming is real. I just believe current emission laws are counter productive in addressing it.

The only real way to deal with pollution and global warming and other eco problems is fewer people, however this solution is not well received. :rolleyes:

This is the message I sent

Senator Delvin, Rep Hankins, and Rep Haler.


This bill is unfair and in some ways is counter productive. It is biased against diesel vehicles because diesels must have a bigger displacement to deliver the same power as a gasoline engine. A diesel will still deliver better mileage with a bigger engine. It is also unfair to the poor as they cannot afford to buy newer fuel efficient vehicles and usually get stuck with older vehicles with bigger engines.


This bill is unfair to me in several ways. I have a classic collectors car that I must keep tabbed to comply with local ordinances. It is only driven about once a year less than 30 miles and would cost me an additional $400 each year. I also have a California emissions vehicle which gets about 10% less mileage and emits 10% more CO2 than a federal emissions model.

Mercedes 300SD Federal emissions
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?column=1&id=338

Mercedes 300SD California emissions
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?column=1&id=339

Although it is supposed to be better for the environment I would be penalized. It is also a diesel and do to the larger displacement engine it would cost me an additional $225 a year.

If the desire is to combat global warming by taxing the public then it should be done by a fuel tax. That way the people that burn the most fuel and contribute to global warming the most are the ones that are taxed. It also discourages people from burning fuel.

Thank you for your time,

Sincerely

Conn Clark

I got a response back!!


Mr. Clark I do not support the legislation. I believe we have "killed"
it this session.


:D

Wow, that was fast. I'm glad our legislators are looking out for us.

Well, at least mine is :D

If you live in an area that are represented by these politicians you aren't so lucky because they backed this bill

Senator Rodney Tom
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Results.aspx?District=48

Senator Jeanne Kohl-Welles
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Results.aspx?District=36

Senator Craig Pridemore
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Results.aspx?District=49

Senator Karen Keiser
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Results.aspx?District=33

Senator Adam Kline
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Results.aspx?District=37

Too bad it isn't real, at least how the fearmongers want you to believe it is. The cause is natural, not man-made. We can have 0 CO2 emiossions throughout the world and it will not change a thing.

You know what that means dontcha?..
 

It means if that gets passed im moving to montana! lol.

Connclark/Cervan:

I assume you are both in Washington as I am. Did you catch this thread?

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/211872-why-no-location.html

Haha! yeah i did lol. I would be "didnt know there was that option"

Interesting, some form of this type of tax structure will eventually be put in place everywhere. If you want people to behave in a certain way, you design incentives and disincentives into tax laws to encourage the results you want. There's nothing new about this, but I doubt an extra $1000 in tax is going to change many peoples behavior. If you want Bubba to get rid of his silly $40K truck, you are going to have to cost him significantly more cash. Most folks will just drive what they want and pay the tax, but it is an interesting gesture.

I would support this bill.

Well, I used to live in the Northwest, but not all of the Northwest is as bad as Seattle! Reasons why the Northwest, especially Seattle can really suck?

1. I got so tired of listening to the most stupid ignorant libocrites consuming whatever they want, putting up with their f**k you I'm getting mine attitude, noses so high in the air they can smell their own mouthwash!

2. The pretend to be hippies who made a big fuss over "hempfest" ( a mass market carnival of sell sell sell items while befriending the cause) who would not even acknowledge you when you meet them in public because they are now with their "new" friends made me want to puke! Their "new" friends are the anti drug crowd and you are with them because they have money. You only pretend to be my friend while I have something you want! Typical and all to common!

3. It's easy to scream big brother attack when the city tries to close several bars and nightclubs because the real reason is those same people who constantly drink to distraction are drunken lushes who are burglarising homes and cars in the middle of the night while *****t*ing and p*ss*ng on the neighbors lawns because they don't give a f**k about you or anyone else but them!

4. The seattle cops have laws to protect them so they can do whatever they want, including drag you out behind a dumpster or into an alley and smack you around if they don't like you and if you try to sue for damages for being treated this way, your going in front of a judge who will never rule in your favour and then the cops can sue YOU for defamation of character and take everything you own! (It was interesting when a city council meeting had a pathetically few citizens who brought up the fact that "what are we supposed to do when the people we must have protection from are the ones we have to file a complaint with?) Answers............Anyone at city hall????? Hello?............. No one home.

5. The Citizens will never develope the guts to stand up for themselves, it's much easier to be a liberal with a "stop global warming" bumpersticker on the back of the $60,000 Range Rover that gets 9 MPG you drive to work 90 miles round trip a day while you live in Bellevue and claim guns cause violence. The second amendment will be abolished over my dead body! You can have my guns, BULLITS FIRST!

6. I have never met so many greedy people who will befriend you while stabbing you in the back to get whatever they want at your expense! After 20 years, I can count my friends on one hand and not use my thumb or pinky that I will try to convince them to move from there. (Steve, $6800 per year in property taxes to live with the snobs is ridiculous, now work on Karen!) Your house is not that big and your yard is the size of a post card! (Lance, don't worry, you will probably become successful at getting one of your tenants to sleep with you in order to avoid being thrown out in the street and they will take your $500 dollars you give to relieve your conscience. It helps to have friends at city hall! You will never get prosecuted that way!)

7. Go the http://www.thestranger.com and join or just read the local forums section, especially the I Anonymous section. No one here will be real with you to your face, they just talk behind your back and be sweet as pie the next day when they see you!

8. Seattle is the only city to have a poster map of the history of suicides since 1949 with reasons given for blowing your head off by location, address, time of year, type of suicide with pictures, weather conditions and assets you leave behind worth taking. (Seattle has the highest rate of suicide in the Nation! The people are taxed to death, literally or should I say liberally? And most who commit suicide are stuck here because it's to expensive to live! (you have to subsidise the rich neighbors like Paul Allen who get tax breaks for putting up a baseball stadium for a team that never wins the playoffs at taxpayers expense [ yes no one read the fine print! Paul Allen, co founder of microsoft, gets to keep all the profits for himself!] because it's the fashionable thing to do!) They can't sell and get out with any assets intact and it's cramped and crowded with 10 ft wide houses that are 3 stories tall on a 14 strip of land with off street parking that you pay $450,000 or more for and you and your neighbors are piled on top of each other.

I honestly didn't know what a good kind neighbor was until I moved to Arizona and I will NEVER go back! Bellingham is nice and quiet. Port Townsend is beautiful and I would consider living there if I never had to see Seattle again!

P.S. When my ID was stolen, the police told me "What do you expect us to do about it? You invited the thief into your home!" Read my website at the link at the bottom of this page about Easy Credit Repair! The part about how the police couldn't locate the crooks and I did and found they burned their rental house to the ground to get away without being caught is true!

If you life seems to be a bowl of lemons, it's because you live in the pits! I can give you the address! The Libocrite politicians never go after the rich for their in state tax increases, they will only go after you, because you are the weaker of 2 party's. The bill proposed is only one of many coming out of the left coast.

I find it truly amazing that there are still folks around that believe Global Warming is a hoax, even our illustrious leader, GWB:rolleyes:, has admitted there is global warming.

A little bitter are we?

I lived in Spokane for 2 years, loved it! I would go back in a second.

I lived in Spokane myself and loved it too! I neve said ALL of the northwest is crap and Spokane is a totally different world than Seattle! Spokane is a conservative city with GENUINE people who look out for each other, has pistol packin' grandma's and friendly neighbors who vlounteered to feed my dogs and water my plants and I never felt uncomfrotable about giving Julie, my next door neighbor my keys! There are places in Washington I loved, but the rulers live in the most liberal sections and force their will on everyone else and I will NEVER go back to Seattle!

For everyone reading my post, THE NORTHWEST IS NOT SEATTLE WASHINGTON! NOR IS IT PORTLAND OREGON! Portland is much better than Seattle.

Yeah, maybe I'm a little bitter, but I was made that way, not born into it! I never thought I would be f**ked over on a constant basis by the ones who were closest to me, neighbors and so called friends! I never thought I would ever have to pay to have my neighbors watch my place only to come home and wonder where my TV, Stereo, Mom's jewelry, Grandma's silver and other valuables were! Knowing it was my "friends" or my landlord did not make it any better! The worst things that ever happened to me from others happened to me in Seattle, so maybe I'm jaded. I'm not the only one and for GREAT reasons.

A woman was raped and beaten to DEATH right under a street lamp about 3 blocks from my house and my Libocrite Coward Chicken ***** neighbors did NOTHING! Not even call the cops!!!! (I wasn't home or I would have grabbed my Ruger M40 and put a stop to it!) Everyone heard her scream for her life as she was strangled in plain sight! Could you honestly say this would NOT change you???? It was all over the news and even the media was disgusted! I was sick to my stomach and her body was left there for 2 1/2 hours and the cops never came untill it was almost morning and a commuter found her in the middle of the road in his way! He told the news reporters he could not drive around her and decided to call the police!!!!?? UNBELIEVABLE!

Physically, the Northwest is some of the most beautiful countryside I have ever been in. Seattle is just in this totally screwed up Bermuda triangle of non-reality. Maybe because it also has the highest rates of Narcotics addiction in the USA, I don't know. :confused:

I have to say that the Pacific Northwest is beautiful, And they are going to tax us right out of it. $30 plates, + add on fees. including a fee for how heavy the car is...

$30 plates? My '87 300D is $150 here in Michigan, you're whining about $30?!!

Yeah! Funny isn't it? When I was in Washington, I was part of a tax revolt that brought down our licensing cost from higher than Michigan rates to 30$! I still cannot believe what an uphill battle it was to get ANYONE to CARE about ANYTHING for 3 years!!

I like Michigan, but your tax rates in your state are what is driving out business! Isn't anyone horrified that Detroit used to be a brainpower capitol of the world in 1950 and even as late as 1975 with a population of 1.8 million people and now there is barely 900,000 left there and it continues to shrink because of Michigan's high tax rate?

I guess for me it is not the $30. It is the idea that the "people" finally forced the plate cost to go down to that ammount. Now they are just finding ways around what the people told them to do.
they will vote down a tax, so if we make it a fee, we can charge more for it... oh look, an engine displacement fee... oh, look a weight fee on a car... oh look a fee for....
I guess I just have an issue with people being deceiving..

Guess that is what the gov does best...

It's sad, but very true. And Nero fiddles as Rome burns. I've contacted my Representative, been told there'll be action, lip service. I'm "outta here" if I can ever give my house away.

And the most liberal states are setting the trend!:mad::eek: Here is Arizona, people still have a pair and will call out their senators to the carpet on the issues.:bangin: We aren't perfect, but when I can drive my Benz, my Dodge Ram or my motorcycle wearing my pistol, I'm in the right place!:2guns::D I'm definitely a conservative and maybe even a redneck, and if so PROUD OF IT!:cowboy:

He's a blue-blood republican, a RINO (Republican In Name Only), and a "Compassionate Conserative". Just like McCain. I knew what he was when i voted for him, a liberal establishment republican POLITICIAN. Yup, a politician, he goes with the crowd -- and that crowd is just a bunch of mind-numbed robots.

Isn't Arizona the cheapest in the country? - Every U-Haul I see has Arizona plates.

If they actually wanted to change people's behavior and get them to buy smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles, they should raise the gas tax by a huge increment and post signs on every pump thanking drivers for their tax contribution. The weekly reminder would do more than the annual fee, even if it ended up costing drivers less.

I agree, but I don't think you would want to do it all at once. Maybe a $0.50 per year increase over 5 years. That would give people time to get into more efficient vehicles. But, it's not about to happen.

Me too, it really makes me wonder about folks. I should probably just discuss MBs on here.

Those are fighting words "Mr. 2 Year Tabs For Only $45"! Keep your nose on your side of the border. You Oregon free loaders get to buy our stuff sales tax free while we get raped by the Peoples Republic of Oregon by having to pay your income tax if we want to work in Oregon.
You guys don't even pay any sales tax when you buy a new car. Give me a effing break!
Those effing democrooks who some how get voted in come up with the sneakiest ways to get around the tax limiting laws that get voted in by the majority of the voters by getting them ruled unconstitutional or making up new fees to rape the hard working public.

It's said that you can't complain if you don't vote. Well I do vote, every single time. It's getting very obvious to me no matter how much I vote, some ********* in government is thumbing their nose at us and getting what they want and not what the people want.
I'm ready to move to Canada or the EU any time. The US is sucking more and more every year.

That's a new one... we do not have sales tax in Oregon... we do have a sizeable income tax. More than a few in SW Washington who don't pay state income tax free load on WA sales tax by shopping in Oregon... there's a reason all the big box stores are just over the border ;-). Vancouver and other 'border towns' are a tax shelter and filled with people who have politics similar to you.

I vote too.

I feel its my right to shop in OR for all the years I got raped by OR when I worked in Portland while living in WA. I had to pay OR's sizable income tax but I could never vote on issues that affected me while working there. It's called taxation without representation. There was a war fought over that issue many years ago.
Yeah, why don't we dump all our engines in Olympia in the capitol plaza if they pass a ludicrous tax like taxing the displacement on engines.
*********s!

Amen to that!!:D

I'm confused, who made you work in Oregon and live in Washington?

I had to work in Portland because of a lack of an available job in WA at the time in my profession because of the business unfriendly attitude by the local ********* legislators in WA.
The organization I worked for decided to move from Vancouver WA to Portland OR because of the stifling rules and regulations that were being imposed on them by WA.

If you look around, you'll find that this kind of taxation is pretty standard for most states. Typically, you get taxed where you live AND where you work. I guess you guys were lucky that WA doesn't have an income tax... otherwise, you would have been hit up twice (live in WA / work in OR).