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Old 05-09-2008, 11:42 AM
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When checking chain stretch by aligning marks, do you need to remove valve lash?

I have searched the archives and read till I am blue in the face...
This tutorial shows removing valve lash when using a dial indicator...
http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/OM617TimingChainStretch

But, I will simply be aligning the marks for lack of indicator tool.
The article implies that they re-lashed the valve after checking via tower marks...but it is not totally clear, and you guys are the pros, so..

Do I need to remove the lash on that #1 intake valve? Or just align the marks and check as is?

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Old 05-09-2008, 11:46 AM
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removing the lash is just for the dial indicator so it gets a correct reading.
no dial indicator, no need to remove the lash.
aligning the marks it's critical to get the cam marks EXACTLY right when checking stretch. find the pictures here to be SURE you do it right
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Old 05-09-2008, 11:52 AM
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ah ha! That is where the tutorial is vague. They imply that you are starting the second procedure with lash removed, then lash after you check. But the wording had me wondering...
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Old 05-09-2008, 08:45 PM
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When you align the Camshaft Gear timing mark with the Camshaft Tower mark you are actually checking the timing of the Camshaft as you would when you assemble the engine. When it was originally timed this would be Zero on the Crankshaft Damper/Pulley. The assumption is that if you line of the marks and look at the Crankshaft Damper/Pulley if it is NOT on Zero that it is caused by the chain stretch/wear and gives you a rough estimate.
Here is a split image Chamshaft and Camshaft Tower on the left; Crankshaft Damper/Pulley on the right. As near As I can tell I am about 2 degrees off.
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Old 05-09-2008, 09:32 PM
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I better do the dial indicator test someday soon, my readings this way were like 6 degrees over
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I better do the dial indicator test someday soon, my readings this way were like 6 degrees over
Yes. I want to check mine also (even bought a mm dial indicator;already had the magnetic base) but never seem to get around to it. I want to see how close the Camtower alignment method matches with the official 2mm method.
If you do not mind converting inches to mm Horbor Freight often has a sale on a set; dial indicator + magnetic base.
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When you use the dial indicator, make sure it is as straight as you can get it. Any angle will throw off your reading. Do it multiple times, resetting the dial multiple times to confirm your readings. The same is true with the cam sprocket method. Do it several times to make sure you get it right.

When I did mine, the cam sprocket method and dial indicator gave me the same exact readings. Another forum member, Brian Carlton I think, has been collecting some data from people who have done both methods to see just how accurate the cam sprocket method is. Based on the experience of several forum members, it appears to be very accurate.

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Old 05-10-2008, 10:12 AM
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So does 6 degrees mean I am in immediate trouble here?

The chain is one job I don't think I would tackle. What does that cost
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I have always herd "you need too start thinking about it at 5 degrees".
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Old 05-12-2008, 01:24 AM
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When you use the dial indicator, make sure it is as straight as you can get it. Any angle will throw off your reading. Do it multiple times, resetting the dial multiple times to confirm your readings. The same is true with the cam sprocket method. Do it several times to make sure you get it right.

When I did mine, the cam sprocket method and dial indicator gave me the same exact readings. Another forum member, Brian Carlton I think, has been collecting some data from people who have done both methods to see just how accurate the cam sprocket method is. Based on the experience of several forum members, it appears to be very accurate.

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To make things easier when I ordered the dial indicator I ordered a set of extension Points so the indicator would be above the Chamshaft to make it easier to get the indicator straight. Note: American threaded extension points may or may not fit an imported dial indicator. If the threads size is not stated on the ad specifictions you will have to ask for that information. I had to order metric extension points; yet I have another indicator made in the same country that is threaded for the American size points.
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Old 05-12-2008, 01:32 AM
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So does 6 degrees mean I am in immediate trouble here?

The chain is one job I don't think I would tackle. What does that cost
Call the Dealer for a price and call some other places. I live near Los Angeles the price in Ohio of some other place could be a lot different.
I would would ask the members who they recommend in your area.
Check out the threads on what Companies Timing chain to buy. From what I have read you are best off with the IWIS chain.
Go to the Diesel Gaint internet site he had some how to do pics and what he recommends to replace along with the chain.

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