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Old 07-20-2008, 12:47 PM
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. . . It will surely have higher maintenace cost as compared to as 123, but nothing in life is free. . .
My mechanic said almost the same thing to me when I got my '87 300D Turbo. He commented that the 603 was an especially expensive engine to repair. So far, I guess I have been lucky -- most of my expenses have been associated with fixing the problems left to me by the PO. Routine maintenance of a 603-- oil and filters. etc., is pretty much the same as a 617. In terms of my time, the 603 is actually easier to maintain, since valve adjustments are not required. It may be that the "expensive" comments are related to the increased complexity of the 603 -- an additional cylinder, hydraulic valve tappets, pulling the intake manifold to get at the glow plugs, etc.

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Chris - after taking an hour to regain my composure, I checked my car and no signs of any cracking. I'm hoping it was a manufac. defect so that if my car had problems it would have appeared by now. If it's truly a design problem, I guess I'll keep worrying. :0 Seriously thanks for the heads up.
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Old 07-20-2008, 01:13 PM
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pulling the intake manifold to get at the glow plugs, etc.

Jeremy

Uggg! Just went thru that again after 25k miles. What a huge pain. I guess you could try and R/R the plugs with intake mani on, but that aluminum head is so soft its REEEEALLLYYYY easy to strip threads and then you are in an even bigger world of hurt.

Does anyone else have to climb on top of the engine to get at the 12 hex head bolts holding Intake mani on, or is that just me being a grease monkey?
Wife came into garage and saw me standing on motor and just laughed and went upstairs...
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Uggg! Just went thru that again after 25k miles. What a huge pain. I guess you could try and R/R the plugs with intake mani on, but that aluminum head is so soft its REEEEALLLYYYY easy to strip threads and then you are in an even bigger world of hurt.

Does anyone else have to climb on top of the engine to get at the 12 hex head bolts holding Intake mani on, or is that just me being a grease monkey?
Wife came into garage and saw me standing on motor and just laughed and went upstairs...
I hope she took your picture.

I did not stand on my engine when I recently took mine off. It has been off before, so all the bolts came out quite easily.
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Chris - after taking an hour to regain my composure, I checked my car and no signs of any cracking. I'm hoping it was a manufac. defect so that if my car had problems it would have appeared by now. If it's truly a design problem, I guess I'll keep worrying. :0 Seriously thanks for the heads up.
It you don't have any cracks, I wouldn't worry about it. Do you have the new style vacuum pump? If not that is a good thing to worry about, that and overheating.
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Old 07-20-2008, 02:17 PM
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We owned an 87 300TD as my wife's primary car for 13 years.
I finally replaced it with a minty 95 E320 wagon, and my wife was sad to see it go. So sad, it took a year after I bought the E320 to finally get her to turn it loose.... Only major hit was the $4,500 replacement head.
My experiences with the W124 chassis led me to seek out the nicest 95 wagon I could find, even if it meant paying more than a W210 wagon.

I've been driving W123 diesel for almost as long, and it was W115 diesels before that, and the running cost of a W124 is more, but not significantly so....with the following thought:

It's more a factor of the age and mileage at this point, as far as the expectation of trouble free motoring goes. This was why the 87 300TD was replaced. While it was still in great cosmetic and mechanical shape, it was still almost 20 years old, and had 237,000 miles.

I no longer felt comfortable with my wife driving the car out of town. while I'm perfectly content to percolate down the road in my 83 300D, it's an entirely different situation to have your wife stuck on the side of the road.

I love both the W123 and the W124 diesels, but the age factor was more important in our case, and since MB hasn't imported a diesel wagon since ours, I had to move over to a gasser.

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Old 07-20-2008, 09:20 PM
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I hope she took your picture.

I did not stand on my engine when I recently took mine off. It has been off before, so all the bolts came out quite easily.
She is used to seeing stuff like that now, hell since she's known me. We had a spare bathroom she decorated in fluffy pottery barn stuff and one day moved the shower curtain and found the head from my 83 GTI sitting in the tub (hey it was an apartment...)

There are a few lugs integrally cast into the OM603 intake mani at #4 and #5 that make it tough to get at the bottom bolts, even having removed and replaced them all 2 yrs ago. Maybe I need more doctor seuss ratchet extensions or something...or a 24" long allen wrench.

Anyways, I love the OM603, but if you take it into the shop everytime it needs attention it will get $$$$ quicker than a 123/6. And temper my opinion of the car with the fact that Im known for going about things the hard way. I figure if we landed on the moon, damn near anythings possible. Well maybe with exception of fixing the sunroof...
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My mechanic said almost the same thing to me when I got my '87 300D Turbo. He commented that the 603 was an especially expensive engine to repair. So far, I guess I have been lucky -- most of my expenses have been associated with fixing the problems left to me by the PO. Routine maintenance of a 603-- oil and filters. etc., is pretty much the same as a 617. In terms of my time, the 603 is actually easier to maintain, since valve adjustments are not required. It may be that the "expensive" comments are related to the increased complexity of the 603 -- an additional cylinder, hydraulic valve tappets, pulling the intake manifold to get at the glow plugs, etc.

Jeremy
what a great mechanic. Setting you up for the kill.

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