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Rather Diesel 08-28-2008 08:13 PM

How can I rig up a manual shut-off switch?
 
I need to shut off my 300TD engine without opening the hood.

Any suggestions on how to set up a vacuum switch to shut off the IP when the ignition switch is turned off? All the factory solenoids, switches and relays were removed prior to getting the engine. And, I don't want to buy $$$MB parts if I can avoid it.

Thanks

tangofox007 08-28-2008 08:49 PM

You don't necessarily have to use vacuum. A mechanical means might be easier. Possibly a Bowden cable or even a pull cord. Are you using vacuum for anythng else?

LUVMBDiesels 08-28-2008 09:14 PM

You need a shut off valve on the IP and a shut off switch connected to the key switch.

I have a working shut off valve i will let you have for $40. The switch is ~20 bucks from Fastlane. You will also need two gaskets for the valve. PM me if you want it.

bgkast 08-28-2008 10:36 PM

Run a tube to the cabin and suck on it. :D

kerry 08-28-2008 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bgkast (Post 1950643)
Run a tube to the cabin and suck on it. :D

My thought exactly. I've done it myself but never bothered running it into the cabin, just ran it out under the hood at the cowl.

moon161 08-29-2008 01:00 AM

I would not rely on vacuum for this. If you had vacuum, why would you use the shutoff? I'd use a cable like for a lawnmower/aircraft throttle. $6 at autozone. Pimp it out, run it to the dash, screw a pool ball on the handle, #3 or 5 for visibility, or #2 cause if you're using it, you've probably gone #2.

JimmyL 08-29-2008 01:12 AM

If you can't repair something as basic, simple and necessary as the vacuum shutoff for these cars then you need to sell it and buy a Yaris. {with warranty}
Please.......:rolleyes:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...mjustsayin.jpg

pawoSD 08-29-2008 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyL (Post 1950726)
If you can't repair something as basic, simple and necessary as the vacuum shutoff for these cars then you need to sell it and buy a Yaris. {with warranty}
Please.......:rolleyes:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...mjustsayin.jpg

I completely agree. The vacuum shutoff is about as simple as it gets.

1. Vac source to a valve. (key switch or your own valve, use an aquarium valve if you want. :D)
2. Valve opens and lets vacuum down second tube to shutoff
3. When vacuum reaches shutoff it turns off engine.

Not exactly complicated.

bratwurst 08-29-2008 03:06 AM

I had to do something similar with my G class.

The shutoff valve is at the rear, bottom area of the injection pump. If you apply vac to the valve, the engine will stop.

Easiest way to control the vacuum is to use a vacuum solenoid. The previous suggestion of sucking on a vacuum tube might work, but it didn't for me (I tried!).

I went to wrecker and found a vacuum solenoid from a VW fox; they seemed to be the easiest to pull out. Then it was just a matter of connecting the vacuum solenoid to a switch and power, as well as vacuum.

H-townbenzoboy 08-29-2008 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moon161 (Post 1950721)
I would not rely on vacuum for this.

Why not? It worked fine for MB since the mid 70s.

ForcedInduction 08-29-2008 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by H-townbenzoboy (Post 1950749)
Why not? It worked fine for MB since the mid 70s.

70's to mid 90's all across the world. If you have any vacuum source, there really isn't a good reason to abandon such a simple working design.

H-townbenzoboy 08-29-2008 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForcedInduction (Post 1950753)
70's to mid 90's all across the world. If you have any vacuum source, there really isn't a good reason to abandon such a simple wroking design.

MB made some of their systems so simple. I just don't understand why people want to sometimes irreversibly (or reversible, but not in a simple manner) hack them up when they break as a cheap fix, and then make them complex.

Shorebilly 08-29-2008 06:01 AM

Because most American folk are hardheaded....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by H-townbenzoboy (Post 1950754)
MB made some of their systems so simple. I just don't understand why people want to sometimes irreversibly (or reversible, but not in a simple manner) hack them up when they break as a cheap fix, and then make them complex.

I think it's because ol' Henry Ford didn't do it that way.....and wtf do those metric lovin' Europeans know.......

It's an American attitude, initially I thought it was just in the folks who served in WWII.....anti Nazi thinkin'.....but I have observed that the resistance to learn anything European is ingrained far deeper in our "American" society....

I think that the Germans began to use "vacuum" because it was a "free" energy source that was available and unused in Gassers......

Bottom line, the vacuum system works well...if maintained...!! And it continues to work if you disconnect the battery.....these older Benzez that we discuss here are pretty much 100% mechanical, and don't need electricity to run.....if I wanted to....I could remove the battery in my 190D 5 speed and just park on hills......

tangofox007 08-29-2008 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyL (Post 1950726)
If you can't repair something as basic, simple and necessary as the vacuum shutoff for these cars then you need to sell it and buy a Yaris. {with warranty}
Please.......:rolleyes:

From a previous thread, the OP is installing a 617 engine in a truck. So some of the simple and basic components (like an ignition switch with a vacuum valve) don't exist.

A little perspective:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rather Diesel (Post 1947765)
...I am trying to minimize the complexity of the engine in any way I can.
...I should probably add, that this engine is being mated to a Toyota manual transmission in a base model truck, so I'm trying to get rid of all auto-trans related items no longer needed. Every sensor, vacuum line, switch, linkage, etc. that isn't required is going to go.


ForcedInduction 08-29-2008 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 1950782)
From a previous thread, the OP is installing a 617 engine in a truck. So some of the simple and basic components (like an ignition switch with a vacuum valve) don't exist

There is a switched power source already on the truck and little vacuum solenoids used for emission equipment are common on almost every g@sser.


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