Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 09-25-2008, 10:07 AM
Stevo's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: NW WA
Posts: 6,299
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
Yes, the bearings and roller on the diaphram and piston pumps are exactly the same. The rocker is also identical and interchangeable on both types. The bearings invariably fail due to the cages wearing thin and falling apart releasing the balls. Consequently it is impossible to determine thier condition by inspection looking for play. This is a job that anyone running the original pump should consider doing without delay.
More good info, thank you again

__________________


1985 Euro 240D 5 spd 140K
1979 240D 5 spd, 40K on engine rebuild
1994 Dodge/Cummins, 5 spd, 121K
1964 Allice Chalmers D15 tractor
2014 Kubota L3800 tractor
1964 VW bug

"Lifes too short to drive a boring car"
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-26-2008, 09:13 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 164
As encouragement to do the job yourself, I was impressed how straight forward our rebuild was. I took my time but with the parts in hand I think I could redo the job in 4-6 hours. Most of my first time was in being over-cautious to not make a mistake. The rebuild is certainly a job for someone with the interest to do it.

Jim W.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-26-2008, 02:38 PM
fruitcakesa's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Vermont
Posts: 1,143
I checked the vacuum pressure yesterday on the mainline before the booster and got a steady 21. I guess this means the pump is fine?
__________________
1981 240D 143k 4 spd manual -SOLD

2004 VW Jetta TDI 5 speed 300k -still driven daily
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-26-2008, 08:22 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 992
you know your vac pump is bad when you turn your ignation switch and the car does not go off....

Then you go to the junk yard get another and bam your back in business. I just did it last week. junk yard vac cost 13 bucks.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-27-2008, 12:02 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 296
Quote:
Originally Posted by blueranger View Post
you know your vac pump is bad when you turn your ignation switch and the car does not go off....

Then you go to the junk yard get another and bam your back in business. I
just did it last week. junk yard vac cost 13 bucks.
You'll know your vac pump is toast when you can't stop at a railroad crossing! Then your car goes to the junk yard and some other sucker can buy YOUR old pump for 13 bucks.
__________________
Beagle
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 09-27-2008, 12:47 PM
babymog's Avatar
Loose Cannon - No Balls
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Northeast Indiana
Posts: 10,765
Power brakes are power asissted, you just push harder and the car stops.
__________________

Gone to the dark side

- Jeff
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 11-18-2008, 12:36 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Flowood Mississippi
Posts: 438
Vacuum pump time-bomb.....

This thread got me worried....... so I pulled the pump and the lower(engine side) spring base was tearing away from the shaft & wearing into the bearing bosses and had worn through the spring shaft about 1/4 of the dia....this thing was about to grenade....slightly low vacuum (due to weaker return spring length)...but no noise or other symptoms....bearings were intact....I have good parts from other pumps for the rebuild ....

Found new 626 SKF bearings at motion industries (about 13 bucks each).....these are the ones that were stock bearings in this pump.......(Thanks Beagle)

Will post pics soon to accelerate worry factor for these old pumps.....
__________________
1978 Yellow 300D (The Mustard Toad)
1980 Blue 240D (The Iron Toad)
1989 Grey Mitsu.4WD Mighty Max Pickup (Needs a Diesel transplant bad)

(Open the pod bay doors HAL)

Last edited by yellit; 11-18-2008 at 12:38 AM. Reason: more info
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 11-18-2008, 07:34 PM
Stevo's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: NW WA
Posts: 6,299
Quote:
Originally Posted by yellit View Post
This thread got me worried....... so I pulled the pump and the lower(engine side) spring base was tearing away from the shaft & wearing into the bearing bosses and had worn through the spring shaft about 1/4 of the dia....this thing was about to grenade....slightly low vacuum (due to weaker return spring length)...but no noise or other symptoms....bearings were intact....I have good parts from other pumps for the rebuild ....

Found new 626 SKF bearings at motion industries (about 13 bucks each).....these are the ones that were stock bearings in this pump.......(Thanks Beagle)

Will post pics soon to accelerate worry factor for these old pumps.....
Lucky you checked, what car?
__________________


1985 Euro 240D 5 spd 140K
1979 240D 5 spd, 40K on engine rebuild
1994 Dodge/Cummins, 5 spd, 121K
1964 Allice Chalmers D15 tractor
2014 Kubota L3800 tractor
1964 VW bug

"Lifes too short to drive a boring car"
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 11-18-2008, 08:40 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Flowood Mississippi
Posts: 438
Old age vacuum pump

1980-240D ...Put new diaphragm & valve kit in about a year ago...did not pay close attention to the spring base...but will now...this may be what is letting go on these....It would get the bearings probably and would wreck the cam assy....that spring is very strong to be contained by that thin collar....

I will check for cracks routinely now...may beef it up with a 309-16 stainless rod weld just for peace of mind....the plate does seem to be thin for all of that spring pressure...pics coming soon....
I wish I could find a belt driven external vac pump that would attach somewhere on the engine....

Many thanks to all the vacuum pump worrying hand wringers on this site...saved my bacon for sure.....!
__________________
1978 Yellow 300D (The Mustard Toad)
1980 Blue 240D (The Iron Toad)
1989 Grey Mitsu.4WD Mighty Max Pickup (Needs a Diesel transplant bad)

(Open the pod bay doors HAL)
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 11-19-2008, 09:48 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: WI
Posts: 6
great info

Hey guys,
Was reading this thread with great interest. My 1994 MB S350D recently started losing vacuum assist on the brakes. My first MB, so not really familiar with causes. Been researching and seems my vacuum pump is going too. Yesterday I started hearing this loud crackling sound coming from that area. Does that ring a bell with anyone? Can anyone help me with a direction to find rebuild parts for that pump?
Thanks I really appreciate the help and the posts!
Nick
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 11-19-2008, 09:58 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Flowood Mississippi
Posts: 438
Vac pump failing

Better get that pump off quick before it frags the internal werks....
If it is making noise...something is coming apart.....If that one has a mechanical pump...
__________________
1978 Yellow 300D (The Mustard Toad)
1980 Blue 240D (The Iron Toad)
1989 Grey Mitsu.4WD Mighty Max Pickup (Needs a Diesel transplant bad)

(Open the pod bay doors HAL)

Last edited by yellit; 11-19-2008 at 10:00 PM. Reason: more info
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 11-19-2008, 10:07 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 39
egerman parts carries the rocker arm with bearing in a repair kit but it is $261. Sounds like tracking down the bearings and installing them in the old rocker arm is the way to go if it isn't too difficult.

-Jeb
__________________
1985 300TD "Ted", 220,000 miles
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 11-19-2008, 10:15 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 39
And ********az has whole pumps (rebuilt?) for $257.
__________________
1985 300TD "Ted", 220,000 miles
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 11-22-2008, 11:49 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Flowood Mississippi
Posts: 438
Vacuum Pumps

Saw pumps from (GermanStar Parts) for about $179.00 + refund core charge...
A forum member put one on his 300D and reports it is working fine....Less expensive than some complete rebuild kits...
__________________
1978 Yellow 300D (The Mustard Toad)
1980 Blue 240D (The Iron Toad)
1989 Grey Mitsu.4WD Mighty Max Pickup (Needs a Diesel transplant bad)

(Open the pod bay doors HAL)
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 11-22-2008, 09:42 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: WI
Posts: 6
Thanks!!

Thanks guys, you're the best!!
I took your advice, moved the MB to the shop and sure as heck, first time it wouldn't shut off, way low vacuum I guess. I'll check out the rebuilts.
Thanks again,
Nick

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page