Anyone Know of a Diesel Equivalent to the Visible V8 Models? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

SwampYankee · #1 10-10-2008, 11:11 AM

I'd like to get my oldest son one for Christmas, if such a thing exists, to go along with his Visible V8 model. It'd be a great learning tool for him, hell, for me as well!

It doesn't need to be a V8 block, just an oil burner.

rrgrassi · #2 10-10-2008, 11:25 AM

I used to have one of those! It actually used a motor in the starter housing to spin the engine instead of the hand crank they have now.

I have not seen a diesel variant though...

Chad300tdt · #3 10-10-2008, 11:33 AM

Lots of engine models, but no diesels that I've seen.

http://scientificsonline.com/category.asp?eid=EID02&c=424555&sid=google&cm_mmc=google-_-cpc-_-edmu-_-enginemodel&bhcd2=1223652254

SwampYankee · #4 10-10-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad300tdt

Lots of engine models, but no diesels that I've seen.

http://scientificsonline.com/category.asp?eid=EID02&c=424555&sid=google&cm_mmc=google-_-cpc-_-edmu-_-enginemodel&bhcd2=1223652254

That's been my initial conclusion.

The search continues!

SwampYankee · #5 10-10-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rrgrassi

I used to have one of those! It actually used a motor in the starter housing to spin the engine instead of the hand crank they have now.

I have not seen a diesel variant though...

I had one of the electric ones when I was a young 'un. I might try to rig one up so that his will run on batteries, too. It's nice to be able to really move around and watch the innards and not worry about cranking. Or me cranking while he moves around and watch the innards.

Anyone good with modelling, not the glamor kind, and plastic molding?

Chad300tdt · #6 10-10-2008, 01:04 PM

Here you go ... now you just need a CAD drawing.

http://www.alphaprototypes.com/Plastic-Prototype-Rapid-Prototypes-Stereolithography-Prototyping.aspx

http://www.buildingprototypes.com/portfolio.htm

SwampYankee · #7 10-10-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad300tdt

Here you go ... now you just need a CAD drawing.

http://www.alphaprototypes.com/Plastic-Prototype-Rapid-Prototypes-Stereolithography-Prototyping.aspx

http://www.buildingprototypes.com/portfolio.htm

I'm thinking stained glass 617's...

Chad300tdt · #8 10-10-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

I'm thinking stained glass 617's...

I could do a 2-D, non-moving art glass representation. I could even do a decent bas-relief with colored frit and my kiln.

If I could do a working model of a 617 out of leaded glass ... I'd be the most sought after glass artist in the world ... maybe the universe.

patbob · #9 10-10-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad300tdt

Here you go ... now you just need a CAD drawing.

http://www.alphaprototypes.com/Plastic-Prototype-Rapid-Prototypes-Stereolithography-Prototyping.aspx

http://www.buildingprototypes.com/portfolio.htm

If someone wanted to go that route, it might be easier to start with something like this
straight-4 gasser engine model from haynes. Mod it and have them fabricate the extra parts.

Trying to make a mercedes IDI out of it would probably be difficult, but there's not a whole lot of differrence at the non-running model end of theory between diesel injection and spark plug ignition.

daw_two · #10 10-10-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

Anyone good with modelling, not the glamor kind, and plastic molding?

One look at "Captain Coda" and you know one of my past professional positions.

Did I say that outloud?

TheDon · #11 10-10-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad300tdt

I could do a 2-D, non-moving art glass representation. I could even do a decent bas-relief with colored frit and my kiln.

If I could do a working model of a 617 out of leaded glass ... I'd be the most sought after glass artist in the world ... maybe the universe.

do it do it do it!

SwampYankee · #12 10-10-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by daw_two

One look at "Captain Coda" and you know one of my past professional positions.

Did I say that outloud?

Maybe you shouldn't have.

How much do we need to scrape together to get you started on this project? Keep in mind that most of us are cheap ba$tards!

Did I say that out loud?

blacknight · #13 10-10-2008, 08:53 PM

The difference would be very tiny. The working difference as seen on a visible model may not even be noticeable. Slightly longer stroke resulting in higher compression ratio (and compression heat based ignition vs spark, of course). All the other funtions would be the same, unless you want to get into a two stroke cycle detroit diesel, which is a different ball of wax. For learning purposes the "standard" visible V8 should be just fine with the added knowledge of the difference

SwampYankee · #14 10-11-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by blacknight

The difference would be very tiny. The working difference as seen on a visible model may not even be noticeable. Slightly longer stroke resulting in higher compression ratio (and compression heat based ignition vs spark, of course). All the other funtions would be the same, unless you want to get into a two stroke cycle detroit diesel, which is a different ball of wax. For learning purposes the "standard" visible V8 should be just fine with the added knowledge of the difference

That's true. I wonder if they make a Visible I6? I could probably mod it to a Cummins. Hmmm...