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I think it dangerous to use motorcycle chains and sprockets as the way we conceptualize our chain and the wear characteristics. While some motorcycles had enclosed chains and good oiling systems... most did not...and the quality of the sprockets may not be in keeping with what MB puts on their high dollar engines. This is also a double roller chain.. side pressures and load spread would be very different... If you compare 10,000 mile increments on the engine... the most relative wear will occur in the first 10,000 miles.... compared to for instance the time from 190,000 to 200,000. I do not remember what increment they use.. but this concept is straight from the Factory Shop Manual ( Surprise,Surprise .. for those of you that know me ).... New chains and ' touch feely' peripherals are so cheap compared to the damage done by a lockup ( typically bending valves and potentially breaking pistons ) that I would think it prudent to change out the stuff somewhere in the 200,000 to 250,000 mile range. |
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Wanted to update this thread as I refueled for the 1st time since the repair.
The good - the car clearly drives better - there is less lag between hitting the throttle and feeling acceleration, and less of a lurch after lifting off of the throttle. Also, when going down a hill with no throttle, but at mid-high rpm, the enigne doesn't have a particular grumble I had noticed but not thought much about. The bad - 20.7 mpg. I thought I was getting better mileage b/c I was getting 70 miles per 1/4 mark on the gauge, but the last quarter fell pretty quick - this is a slight improvement, but obviously not where I had hoped to be..... I did have a fuel leak for a few miles from a return line that had slipped off the injector, and I neeed to do some suspension work, but I don't think this accounts for the 6-8 mpg I was hoping to recover.
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Thats no good, I would start with the easy stuff, brake dragging, spedo error, leaking fuel from the "usual' places and then timing. 20.7 mpg is supper bad. Good hunting
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Thanks Stevo,
I have already checked brake dragging, speedo calibration, and fuel lines.....there is some fuel weeping from the first injector, and the third injector is moist on top. Still, it's not a puddle of fuel, so I doubt that that is responsible for the super bad mileage......
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Hummm, the only thing left I can think of, which will cause poor milage is "reverse slipstream syndrome". Only effects red cars which drive mostly in an east, west direction. Or the calculator you've been using was submerged in a flood.
![]() Seriously, since the thread is kinda old, you might summarize the things you have done and perhaps someone can come up with an idea. Around here where theres not allot of freeway driving 240Ds usually get 30+MPG.
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Is it true that the pulley on the front of the crankshaft, and the balancer, have to come off in order to replace the long chain rail? I think I read somewhere that the pin holding the rail is behind the balancer.
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So far I have adjused the valves, replaced the soft brake lines and checked to make sure the calipers are not grabbing. I have tested the odo to make sure it is measuring properly, I have replaced fuel lines that were moist, including the braided return lines, I have installed a 5* offset key to remove some of the chain stretch, I have replaced the air filter, and front shocks.
Still a problem: The DS tie rod has a little crack and the PS tie rod ends wiggle. There is a sproingy clunk when I turn the wheel with the car not moving and a bit of a chunk sound over some bumps. The control arms seem ok, but the DS wheel hub has soe play in it, and the PS wheel has play that appears to be due to the tie rod ends being loose (they wiggle with the wheel) So I am wondering if the suspension issues are related to the low milage. As I said earlier, there is some fuel weep from 2 of the 4 injectors.....I may try to resolve that this weekend - I have some spare crush washers.
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Thanks Hugh,
Looks like I will be doing this job a bit later this year - first I will be replacing my injectors. I am a bit scared about the difficulty of replacing the rails, etc...and the crimping - guess I will break down and get the german tool.....
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My Indy said 1.5 hours for rolling out chain. He only work on Mercedes.
He charges $75 per hour. I don't know if this is going rate or not. Chain and link bout $160 at Phils. So for me it would cost $250-$300 labor and parts. I guess add an hour to adjust valves and you are well over $300. I've done timing chains but never rolled one out. I would need a "sexxie blonde" to assist as you are supposed to need a "helper". This is not a job I'd want to do but many here have this on this site. Roy (whunter) says only use IWIS (OEM chain and master link). Phil sells them.
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Can I ask you how you calculate your fuel mileage?
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If you can get your chain replaced and valves adjusted for total parts and labor cost of under $400 bucks, go for it. That's dirt cheap.
What about the guides?
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Maybe some chain experts here can help with this question. Last time I adjusted valves(maybe a year and a half ago) just for kicks I pushed on the chain with my index finger just below and to the right of the cam sprocket to see if there was any play there, there wasn't any. Next,I grabbed the top of the chain at the top of the cam sprocket with two fingers and tried to move the chain in a horizontal plane. I was able to move the chain in a horizontal plane. Is this normal to be able to move a chain horizontally on top of the sprocket. There's no mechanical science involved here, just an observation.
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chain stretch
while your that far into your engine, it's a good time to check for chain stretch. rotate the engine (clockwise) to TDC, check the marks on cam sprocket and bearing tower, if over 3 or 4 degrees consider new chain; not a terrible job. As to your question the difference in verticle lift between an old chain and a new one is noticed most after you change it; mine was slapping the inside of the valve cover and sounded really bad. It was actually a great warning signal. Many Blessings.
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