 
         
		
					|   | 
 | 
 | 
| 
 | 
|  | 
| 
			 
			#1  
			
			
			
			
			
		 | |||
| 
 | |||
| 
			
			The consensus of opinion if frequently in error because one person gets it wrong and the crowd repeats "what he said."   So instead of acting as a cheerleader for the uninformed masses, why not get out your multimeter (or look at a FSM) and determine for yourself what really happens?
			
				
			
		 | 
| 
			 
			#2  
			
			
			
			
			
		 | |||
| 
 | |||
| Quote: 
 For the record, here's an earlier thread on this issue which also references an earlier comment by Lance who has a push button glow relay and mentions the electrical draw issues of glowing and starting at the same time. Glow plug timing on 123's 
				__________________ 1977 300d 70k--sold 08 1985 300TD 185k+ 1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03 1985 409d 65k--sold 06 1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car 1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11 1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper 1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4 1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13 Last edited by kerry; 12-15-2008 at 11:36 AM. | 
| 
			 
			#3  
			
			
			
			
			
		 | |||
| 
 | |||
| Quote: 
 If the glow plugs were shut off, and the car didn't start on the first compression stroke, it wouldn't start from cold iron at all. Cold air, cold steel, cold Diesel fuel = snuffed out glow plugs if they are shut off. The fuel sprays right at them. Jim 
				__________________ Own: 1986 Euro 190E 2.3-16 (291,000 miles), 1998 E300D TurboDiesel, 231,000 miles -purchased with 45,000, 1988 300E 5-speed 252,000 miles, 1983 240D 4-speed, purchased w/136,000, now with 222,000 miles. 2009 ML320CDI Bluetec, 89,000 miles Owned: 1971 220D (250,000 miles plus, sold to father-in-law), 1975 240D (245,000 miles - died of body rot), 1991 350SD (176,560 miles, weakest Benz I have owned), 1999 C230 Sport (45,400 miles), 1982 240D (321,000 miles, put to sleep) | 
| 
			 
			#4  
			
			
			
			
			
		 | |||
| 
 | |||
| 
			
			I see many references to the cold fuel hitting the glowplugs and cooling them off quickly.  I remember someone in a thread suggested keeping the fuel off for the first ~5 seconds of cranking, then shoot it in when engine is turning.  Has this actually been attempted, and if so, helped anyone?
			
				
			
		 
				__________________ '79 240D 4 speed manual 105k miles | 
| 
			 
			#5  
			
			
			
			
			
		 | |||
| 
 | |||
| Quote: 
 
				__________________ Own: 1986 Euro 190E 2.3-16 (291,000 miles), 1998 E300D TurboDiesel, 231,000 miles -purchased with 45,000, 1988 300E 5-speed 252,000 miles, 1983 240D 4-speed, purchased w/136,000, now with 222,000 miles. 2009 ML320CDI Bluetec, 89,000 miles Owned: 1971 220D (250,000 miles plus, sold to father-in-law), 1975 240D (245,000 miles - died of body rot), 1991 350SD (176,560 miles, weakest Benz I have owned), 1999 C230 Sport (45,400 miles), 1982 240D (321,000 miles, put to sleep) | 
| 
			 
			#6  
			
			
			
			
			
		 | |||
| 
 | |||
| Quote: 
 
				__________________ 1977 300d 70k--sold 08 1985 300TD 185k+ 1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03 1985 409d 65k--sold 06 1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car 1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11 1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper 1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4 1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13 | 
| 
			 
			#7  
			
			
			
			
			
		 | ||||
| 
 | ||||
| Quote: 
 
				__________________ RIP: 80 300SD RIP: 79 450SEL 2002 E430 4matic (212,000km) 2002 ML500 'sport'  ____________________________ FACEBOOK: PANZER450 | 
| 
			 
			#8  
			
			
			
			
			
		 | |||
| 
 | |||
| Quote: 
 
				__________________ 1985 300D Turbo "Evolution is God's way of giving upgrades" Francis Collins | 
| 
			 
			#9  
			
			
			
			
			
		 | |||
| 
 | |||
| 
			
			Definitely energizes the starter.  I did not know that it also provided power to the glow plug relay.  If it does, that is an excellent solution.
			
				
			
		 
				__________________ 1977 300d 70k--sold 08 1985 300TD 185k+ 1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03 1985 409d 65k--sold 06 1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car 1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11 1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper 1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4 1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13 | 
| 
			 
			#10  
			
			
			
			
			
		 | |||
| 
 | |||
| 
				
				I did have problems
			 
			
			Well as it turns out, I did have problems. I started with my foot fully on the pedal and when it started, I got spooked by the high revs, let the pedal go and it promptly died and refused to start again. I then put a bulb next to the battery and ran a trickle charger. It started up then.
			
				
			
		 
				__________________ 1987 300TD 1984 300D 755,000 KM and going strong  BC Canada | 
| 
			 
			#11  
			
			
			
			
			
		 | ||||
| 
 | ||||
| 
			
			I got bad glow plugs in my 300SD but was able to start in cold anyway...until today,  minus 5F in Chicago and windy!! 15W40 oil in my engine not changed yet to 5-40 so not so optimal for the cold start. There was Howe's in my tank for couple hundred miles which makes huge difference, now I fill the tank with bottle of RED LINE RL-3 winterized. Too far to pull extension cord to my car for hair dryer so I heat the air intake using plumbers butane torch for some time - starts like it's summer. I am not rushing so much to change my plugs anymore... | 
|  | 
| Bookmarks | 
| 
 |  |