1. On
2. Off
3. Gone
4. To you

Many Thanks!
(The 603 will Like it)

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'84 300SD sold
124.128

so ...what are you gunna do for negative air?

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I've got another pump on the deceased '90 602.962

'Still all torqued up after seeing GSXR's almost catastrophic VP failure.

'Arguing with Pierburg about Metallic stress failure frequency AND whether
there's any difference in a Mercedes Branded (OE) Pump and a Pierburg.

I'm playing around with the Electric VP idea...No matter what happens,the
engine can't go "86" on you.

'Not enough to worry about YET..."If you did bolt on a "Dummy" (Gutless)
VP [to simply plug the hole in the TC] would there be any adverse effects?"
('Would the Timer/IP/Timing Chain system suffer some unknown malady
without the "Engineered For" stresses exerted by the VP?)

If you should add the "Assembly Basket" when you remove the VP before
removing the IP for service.
...would it not make sense that a Dummy VP will Bolix up something?

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'84 300SD sold
124.128

Sure it can. Just not from the VP........

Is this thread part of some larger project? Seems kind of random as a stand-alone....

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Jimmy L.
'05 Acura TL 6MT
2001 ML430 My Spare

Gone:
'95 E300 188K "Batmobile" Texas Unfriendly Black
'85 300TD 235K "The Wagon" Texas Friendly White
'80 240D 154K "China" Scar engine installed
'81 300TD 240K "Smash"
'80 240D 230K "The Squash"
'81 240D 293K"Scar" Rear ended harder than Elton John

mod gods are getting angry

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1981 300SD 512k OM603

good call.



That should not be a concern - you are, undoubtedly, removing chaos from the system.

It is suggested that one remove the VP before IP b/c of the forces that it can put on the timing gear and chain when positioned in such a way.

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Thank You Very Much!

Let me know, if i can help you with anything!

Sincerely,

diesel_fan

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1987 300D Turbo 170K (sold)
1990 300E
1992 300D 2.5 Turbo
2003 Audi A6 4.2

the only thing i can think of is that the timer shaft wouldn't be held tightly against its thrust support. Which is? Ball bearing? If so no worries.

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For Sale: 1982 MB 300TD
1995 Chevrolet Suburban 6.5TD

Sold: 1980 IH Scout Traveler- Nissan SD33T Diesel

So, how do you stop now that there is no brake boost?

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RRGrassi


70's Southern Pacific #5608 Fairmont A-4 MOW car

13 VW JSW 2.0 TDI 193K, Tuned with DPF and EGR Delete.

99 W210 E300 Turbo Diesel, chipped, DPF/Converter Delete. Still needs EGR Delete, 232K

90 Dodge D250 5.9 Cummins/5 speed. 400K

Gone and still missed...1982 w123 300D, 1991 w124 300D

JimmyL,
R+R one 602.XXX with another (The donor engine is an MB "Caged" reman that,
unfortunately,was involved in a Bovine Homicide @ about 10k miles...Fuel Filter
Bracket Cracked,Power Steering Pump took such a nasty hit that the upper
securing bolt of the Pump cracked the Timing Case at that point,Left Motor
Mount Support Arm broken,Which allowed the Oil Pan to contact the Cross
Chassis Support Arm.)
BUT...
Almost New:
Engine (With updated Head)
Injection Pump
Turbocharger

So...ReCap:
Needs:
Oil pan from old 602.
Power Steering Pump from old 602
Motor Mount Support arm from old 602
Fuel Filter Bracket from old 602
VP from old 602

AND...
(Urrrrgggkk! 'Have to Spend Money.)
A New Timing Case Cover and Front Crankshaft Seal.

Bajaman,

There is a "Bushing" that does duty as a Bearing in the Injection Timing Device
(#32 in the Pictogram Below) it would be the part that would take
all the axial load.Another member has stated that excess wear on this
"Bushing" allowed the Timing Device to "Wobble" - Out of Specifications
Which caused his Vacuum Pump failure.
Interestingly,the RU site and the EPC both used to have a Name and Part
Number for this Bushing... (last year.'Like October 2008)
AND IT WAS AVAILABLE AS A REPAIR PART FROM MB
(In Fact ALL the Timer parts were available from MB)
NOW,It's like ,"Bushing,What Bushing?"
NOW, YOU ARE FORCED TO BUY THE WHOLE TIMING DEVICE.

rrgrassi,

Please note the 602.XXX in question currently resides in it's shipping box,
and has no need of brakes of any kind.It is some what of an effort to
coax it into overcoming inertia and moving anywhere without the assist
of the engine lift.IF, configured as per MB the VP from the old 602.XXX
will be installed.

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'84 300SD sold
124.128

what is the "assembly basket"?

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It's installed in place of the Vacuum pump when you're gonna pull the IP.

"Things" don't come loose and "Clatter" around.

Picture courtesy gsxr.

EDITED for NO Movement of of engine with basket installed...Thanks Sixto.

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'84 300SD sold
124.128

SO.. only when the IP is not there to keep the timing gear stabilized, correct?

Otherwise, if the timing gear is mounted to the IP, the axial motion is prohibited. And my previous assumption still stands. right?

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Yes...You've got the program.
(Although,some of the older models MAY still have the Assembly basket in place
from the factory...I can't picture that... The newer Gaskets for the VP will "Crimp" and not seal if the Basket is left in place when you try and re-install
the VP.)

EDIT:
The Ab is NOT substantial enough to attempt to turn
the engine WITHOUT THE IP INSTALLED.

It only "holds thing in place" whilst you R+R the IP.

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'84 300SD sold
124.128

Did you compare part numbers? I thought the assembly basket was different from the basket that early 603s came with. I wouldn't trust the OE baskets I've seen to keep the IP timer in place while turning the engine.

Sixto
87 300D