ok so this is what im thinking... i got a saab 900 intercooler coming to me soon so im going to do the pyrometer and the intercooler and the full load fuel screw all in the same weekend hopfully, i was going to take the turbo off and while im drilling im going to put a big magnet on the other side of where the hole will be and while im drilling the hole i will have my brother hold a shop vac by the drill bit grabbing any metal flake that will be present and then running the vac inside the manifold before i put it back together, what do u guys think?

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1996 VW GTI 2.0
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Way more than adequate...

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1984 300 Coupe TurboDiesel
Silver blue paint over navy blue interior
2nd owner & 2nd engine in an otherwise
99% original unmolested car
~210k miles on the clock

1986 Ford F250 4x4 Supercab
Charcoal & blue two tone paint over burgundy interior
Banks turbo, DRW, ZF-5 & SMF conversion
152k on the clock - actual mileage unknown

No, in fact. This is no different than the "bubble method" deal, made up by somebody too lazy to take the time to do things right.

Take the turbo off. When its off the chances of debris getting into the engine is almost nil. The turbo gasket set costs about $10 and $35 for the entire manifold set.

Lance, we all know that in your infinite wisdom, you already know all there is to know and that any way of doing anything OTHER than the FSM way is dead wrong.

Please explain, in technical terms, exactly why drilling the manifold with the engine running is risky and/or a bad thing to do. And because that isn't the way some book or instruction sheet says to do it is not a good enough explanation. Neither is the fact that it is an easier, quicker, cheaper or even the "lazy" way to do it. Tell us what is really wrong with finding simpler easier ways to do things.

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1984 300 Coupe TurboDiesel
Silver blue paint over navy blue interior
2nd owner & 2nd engine in an otherwise
99% original unmolested car
~210k miles on the clock

1986 Ford F250 4x4 Supercab
Charcoal & blue two tone paint over burgundy interior
Banks turbo, DRW, ZF-5 & SMF conversion
152k on the clock - actual mileage unknown

Pulling the manifold is the correct way to do the job to ensure no metal is introduced into the engine/exhaust and the hole is drilled/tapped straight.

Its very simple...there is a right way and wrong way to do a job.

Pretty much what I thought - you can't explain or give any technical reasons why it isn't an acceptable method - it just isn't the "right" way to do it. Just like any timing method OTHER than the FSM "drip" method.

How good the results are doesn't matter, or how much time/effort can be saved (even if it reduces the time & effort to half or less - as would be in this case), it just "isn't right".

With that kind of thinking then NONE of the alternative repair methods that innovative people around here have come up with are acceptable. Things like pool noodle seat repairs, odo repairs using loctite, etc. would all be unacceptable because they aren't written down in an official manual somewhere.

Sure glad you're in such a minority around here.

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1984 300 Coupe TurboDiesel
Silver blue paint over navy blue interior
2nd owner & 2nd engine in an otherwise
99% original unmolested car
~210k miles on the clock

1986 Ford F250 4x4 Supercab
Charcoal & blue two tone paint over burgundy interior
Banks turbo, DRW, ZF-5 & SMF conversion
152k on the clock - actual mileage unknown

Blah blah blah blah blah. How about actually contributing something instead of just being combative?

In the books thou mayest read what to do and when, but only the voice of experience may tell thee why and how, else thy reading of what and when shall but plague thee with smoke.

Leave the poor guy alone. So what if he is only twenty three years old and has no experience. So what if he hasn’t passed a single ASE test, much less all of them to be a Certified Master, like our moderators. After all, he has over 14,000 posts on this board, except for the Techs Only forum, where it takes proof that you have professional credentials. So what if he misleads people with his opinions.

I think you should believe every word he says…………. Just like I do.

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Thank you for demonstrating your ignorance. Clearly you haven't the slightest clue about me, my life or my experiences. I can easily pass several ASE tests and fulfill their experience requirements but I do not attempt the tests because the shop I work at does not provide any benefits or incentives for attaining certification (other than paying for the test itself), I would have to do it for personal gratification alone.

Thank you for confirmation of your ignorance. If you take the time to read the forum descriptions, you'll see your "Techs Only forum" is nothing more than the g@soline counterpart of this forum. I have no interest in dirty, sloppy g@soline engines which is why I rarely look in that sub-forum, just as there are long-term members in that sub-forum that never come into here for the exact opposite reason.

Is this your personal motto?

ENGINE RUNNING? While you are in there, I hear pouring a cup of sand into the intake will polish your manifold.

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Read the whole thread winmutt. We're talking about tapping the exhaust manifold for a pyro thermocouple. Running the engine at idle was suggested as a way of ensuring through positive pressure that all the chips/slivers/filings end up on the outside and don't get sucked into the turbo. As with all things, Lance insists that HE knows better than everyone else and that there is only one way to skin a cat. As usual, I disagree with his condescending know-it-all tone. He hasn't been able to provide any technical reason why it wouldn't work - just that it isn't the "right" way to do it.

Do you have a more technical reason to suggest why doing it this way would not be safe? If so, post up. Otherwise....

BTW, I will most likely pull the turbo off when I install mine. Unless I just decide not to to prove Mr. Know-It-All wrong. I'm sorry, but I just have a hard time with people who take a sef-righteous I'm the only one who knows what is right and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong attitude. Unfortunately, that seems to be Lance's only posture on any and every subject. It gets old - know what I mean?

Anybody who's been around the block a time or two knows there is more than one way to do almost any job, and saying - self righteously - that doing things an easier way simply means that others are lazy or incompetent (compared to yourself) just rubs me the wrong way.

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1984 300 Coupe TurboDiesel
Silver blue paint over navy blue interior
2nd owner & 2nd engine in an otherwise
99% original unmolested car
~210k miles on the clock

1986 Ford F250 4x4 Supercab
Charcoal & blue two tone paint over burgundy interior
Banks turbo, DRW, ZF-5 & SMF conversion
152k on the clock - actual mileage unknown

The truth finally comes out. You don't have a problem with doing the job right, you have a problem with ME telling somebody how to do the job right and you're just being argumentative or, possibly, jealous. You're acting like nothing more than a child intentionally disobeying a parent just to be spiteful.

You're more than welcome to stay out of it and ignore my posts.
In fact, I'll make it very easy for you so this forum can be a better place without your useless and pointless arguing. Click here: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=11901

That ignore list trick works both ways pard, and feel free to add me to yours.

You're partially right about one thing Lance. The biggest problem I have is with you and your attitude. Whenever someone suggests something you disagree with you immediately begin making condescending statements.

Funny thing is you have the exact same kind of run-ins with multiple people - including moderators. Try reading the thread from the last time you got banned. On the other hand I have never been banned or even received an infraction. Generally, I only seem to have these conflicts with one person - you. What does that say?

The very thought of me (as the child) "disobeying" you (as a parent figure) is too ludicrous for words. Don't flatter yourself. Yes, I initially planned on taking the turbo off. But certainly not the whole manifold - as you initially suggested was the only "right" way to do it. This thread got me to thinking about whether there might not be an easier way. The collective knowledge here came up with a couple of suggestions of easier ways. See, I have a life, so finding ways to do things simpler and with less time investment is something I'm interested in. So, I'm seriously considering the alternatives, and the fact that doing it a different way would save time and effort - AND prove you wrong (again) at the same time would just be a bonus.

BUT N-O-O-O! We can't even discuss finding easier more efficient ways to do things - we all have to do it Lance's way - either that or listen to him harangue us about how lazy and "wrong" we all are - because Lance knows everything and knows it better than everyone else put together!

Think about the way you come across man. I know it is pointless to even suggest that, since so many others have already done so many, MANY, MANY times, but I figure if you hear it enough times, maybe someday the message will get through...

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1984 300 Coupe TurboDiesel
Silver blue paint over navy blue interior
2nd owner & 2nd engine in an otherwise
99% original unmolested car
~210k miles on the clock

1986 Ford F250 4x4 Supercab
Charcoal & blue two tone paint over burgundy interior
Banks turbo, DRW, ZF-5 & SMF conversion
152k on the clock - actual mileage unknown

I agree.

And let's leave it at that.