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Old 05-07-2009, 11:14 AM
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Don't de-emphasize the usefulness of a hammer either. Hammering the side of the spindle, ackerman or whatever your working on while applying pressure with the separating tool does wonders.
I've always got them out this way without heat. On ball joints I use about a 6-8' prybar putting pressure on the joint to separate. I then hit the outside of the fitting 3 or 4 times with a 3-4lb sledgehammer. Never had that method fail.

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I agree with the tool suggested by Mo-Betta. Sometimes I think what happens is applying extreme end pressure to the threaded portion, especially with a hammer, can cause the tapered portion to bulge and make removal a next-to-impossible proposition. This is my suspicion on a ball joint that I fought for two days, not that long ago. I had to resort to drilling the threaded shaft to make the "walls" weak enough to break it free.
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Old 05-07-2009, 12:31 PM
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I did soak it in PB yesterday, so maybe it will help more that it has sat overnight..PB works like that I guess. I remember a nut that was impossible to move that was like butter after sitting in PB for a day.

Seriously, I just want to go get my alignment (which is why I am doing the tie rod) so that way I can go to a far away junkyard to get a new bumper. Guh. That, and my gf gets mad at my car for wandering all over the place on the highway
If your letting it soak keep spraying it with PB. That stuff does work, if you give it time.
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:11 PM
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Also, once out, will the new tie rods go into place simply by tightening the nut, or will I need to force those in there too? I would think that just tightening would be enough, but after this ordeal, I am starting to question more things..
Just screw on the nuts. Torque should be 26 ft/lb if you have a torque wrench. It will pull the tapered portion into place securely. When you start turning the nut, you'll probably need to hold the threaded part secure using an allen wrench on the end so it doesn't spin as you wrench. After a few turns it holds and you can just wrench it tight.
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:23 PM
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If you try a pickle fork it is important to use the correct size. The first time I used one on my car it was not the right size and I never got the joint to separate but then I tried a fork that fit properly and it only took 3 or 4 hits to separate. As stated if you push on the end of the threaded portion it can cause it to tighten in the taper but a pickle fork stretches the taper helping it to release.
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:31 PM
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Just screw on the nuts. Torque should be 26 ft/lb if you have a torque wrench. It will pull the tapered portion into place securely. When you start turning the nut, you'll probably need to hold the threaded part secure using an allen wrench on the end so it doesn't spin as you wrench. After a few turns it holds and you can just wrench it tight.
Ah, I did notice that the tops were allen sockets. 'Wondered what that was for.
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:43 PM
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Just screw on the nuts. Torque should be 26 ft/lb if you have a torque wrench. It will pull the tapered portion into place securely. When you start turning the nut, you'll probably need to hold the threaded part secure using an allen wrench on the end so it doesn't spin as you wrench. After a few turns it holds and you can just wrench it tight.
Yes, the FSM suggests using a spacer to "set" the ball joint. I used an open end wrench of the proper depth. Bodhi... did that with an allen, if your new one doesn't have that.
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:56 PM
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Smile Serious PITA stuck Tie Rod

Ha! I did that just this past weekend and got frustrated as well. I used a ball joint puller (the pickle fork didn't do the job) and all of a sudden, the joint came loose! Tell you this much, the obsenity I yelled at a moment of frustration echoed in the farmlands surrounding me for miles. They come undone sooner or later.
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Old 05-07-2009, 02:04 PM
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If you try a pickle fork it is important to use the correct size.
Pickle forks cause as many problems as they solve. In particular, they tend to gouge the surface on which the TRE grease boot rides, ensuring a short life for the boot.

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Old 05-07-2009, 02:07 PM
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A pickle fork usually damages the boot, so if you can get a separator, that's the way to go. On the UCA tho, most folks are replacing the whole thing, so it doesn't matter.
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Old 05-07-2009, 02:31 PM
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Tie Rod Stuck?

just my 2 cents worth, take a big hammer and hit it real hard on the side, it will pop out, works for me everytime, done many, don't use heat.my opinion
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Old 05-07-2009, 05:20 PM
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Old 05-07-2009, 06:48 PM
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Yes, the FSM suggests using a spacer to "set" the ball joint. I used an open end wrench of the proper depth. Bodhi... did that with an allen, if your new one doesn't have that.
Wow, wish I'd been clever enough to think of that when I did my UCA joint, which didn't have the allen socket ... I used a c-clamp to hold the steering knuckle and arm together while I turned the nut a few times to set it. Oh well, my method worked.
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Old 05-07-2009, 07:02 PM
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I had this problems on a friends 300D. I always use the sledge hammer to the side, but it wouldn't worked. so I got out the pickle fork, that wouldn't work. After 2 hours I got pissed, then I started to thinking... I know thats scary... but then I got thinking about what takes out a stuck bolt, an impact. Why does the impact work, vibrations, hey thats why the hammer works. I need something to vibrate the hell out of this....
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I used the chisel bit, and pushed the sharp part past the joint, and used it like a vibrating wedge. WHAM 2 seconds latter, DONE.

If i could get a pickle fork bit for the roto-hammer that would be an awesome tool.
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Old 05-07-2009, 07:02 PM
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mine was pretty stuck on as well. did 2 nights of soaking and heat with a mapp gas torch. in the end, I took a grinder to the shaft, cut it flush, then used a big ass punch and a hammer to bang out the outer side. then the inside was easy to take off

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