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Old 02-09-2010, 07:35 PM
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Electrically, a battery acts like a constant voltage machine. Current should be able to vary alot while voltage remains nearly the same.

Inside every battery is an effective resistance to the flow of electricity which forms in the series circuit of the battery. As the battery discharges, the resistance increases lowering the voltage developed across the output terminals under heavy load. Now, this resistance is not a real resistor but an effect. When the resistance reaches infinity, the battery is totally dead.

Just recharge it on a trickle charger. That *should* get you going but the original problem likely remains. Most likely a faulty charging circuit.

Edit: I'd see if that battery will hold a charge before replacing it.

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Old 02-09-2010, 09:18 PM
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Sounded just like when I wasn't having it jumped - one crank, a slower crank, an even slower crank... then nothing. The lights still got real dim, and the GP relay box was still buzzing loud as ever. Now it won't even bother cranking, and the lights nearly go out when I try to get it to do such. Also raining outside so I'm not going to try messing with batteries 'till that clears up, since the car is outside...

This whole problem seemed to start rather suddenly, though, to be fair, I'd been loaning someone else the car earlier in the night. So I have no idea if it was having problems on a previous startup. But never before this had _I_ experienced it doing this... cranking slower and slower 'till it wouldn't go at all.

Like, when I first tried to start it that night, it was _almost_ there, but, it got slower and weaker and slower 'till nothing. Tried starting again, it was just going even weaker.

I'll give all the battery-related advice a shot when it stops raining. Of all the times to rain in California, why must it be now?
I agree that it is the battery. Find out how they charged the battery (how many amps). If they did a slow charge (2 amps) then I would look for a new battery. If they did a quicker charge then you should try a slower charge before scrapping it. Also, is it a serviceable battery? If it is then you should make sure that the cells are full of water.
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Old 02-09-2010, 10:14 PM
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I agree that it is the battery. Find out how they charged the battery (how many amps). If they did a slow charge (2 amps) then I would look for a new battery. If they did a quicker charge then you should try a slower charge before scrapping it. Also, is it a serviceable battery? If it is then you should make sure that the cells are full of water.
I do not believe I can add water to this battery.

I am not sure what type of charge it was - it was my friend attaching jumper cables from her car's battery to mine, revving the engine, and waiting. Is there a different way I should've done this?
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Old 02-09-2010, 10:34 PM
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And YES.... as a matter of fact, it started better than EVER... less than one crank, I swear.

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Old 02-09-2010, 11:33 PM
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I do not believe I can add water to this battery.

I am not sure what type of charge it was - it was my friend attaching jumper cables from her car's battery to mine, revving the engine, and waiting. Is there a different way I should've done this?
You need to use a battery charger. The best way I have found is to use a battery charger set to 2 amps overnight. If you dont have access to a battery charger, then I would use another car with jumper cables. You may have to keep the other car running and hooked up to yours for a significant amount of time before it starts (20 plus minutes). Once you get it started you need to do a voltage and amperage test at the battery terminals. Make sure that the alternator is putting out the correct voltage and amperage. Do some searching here to find what these numbers should be as I don't knoe exactly. If your alternator is working correctly, then you need to concentrate on the battery. If the alternator is proper then you need to properly charge the battery and make sure your connections are good. If the charge doesnt do it then you need a new battery.
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Old 02-10-2010, 01:32 AM
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I do not believe I can add water to this battery.

I am not sure what type of charge it was - it was my friend attaching jumper cables from her car's battery to mine, revving the engine, and waiting. Is there a different way I should've done this?
Yes, with a battery charger....after you have removed the cables and cleaned the cable ends and battery posts....jumping the car from another automobile is only going to give you enough juice to start the car, it is not going to significantly charge the battery...If jumping is the only alternative, then you will want to allow the car to run for at least 1hr after getting it started to actually charge your battery (provided your alternator is working)
You could also try swapping in a new/different battery (take the one out of the jumping vehicle) to see very quickly if the issue is entirely with your battery. Seems like maybe the person you loaned it to could have left the lights on (or door open, or dome light on etc, etc,), light switch all the way to the left is left side parking lights, if I am not mistaken. That alone, with enough time could waste an already weak battery.
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Cleaned the terminals, and tried charging it with onna' those portable chargers until it ran dry, but... still, no dice. :/ Took out the battery, gunna' take it to autozone, hoping that's the root of the problem. Wish me luck!
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Old 02-10-2010, 09:10 PM
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Cleaned the terminals, and tried charging it with onna' those portable chargers until it ran dry, but... still, no dice. :/ Took out the battery, gunna' take it to autozone, hoping that's the root of the problem. Wish me luck!
While you're there, buy a cheap trickle charger and an extension cord if you don't have one. You'll be glad you did.

If the battery holds a charge then great. You wont be out the bux for a new battery.

If the alternator isn't working, then you'll have some work to do. Test it with a voltmeter across battery terminals with engine running. It should read between 13V and 15V when it's charging. Manual says 14VDC is average.
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Old 02-10-2010, 09:45 PM
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Be aware that sudden battery failure is the normal routine in heavy service applications like your Mercedes Diesel .

Autozone sells : A. crappy batteries and B. usually the wrong one , Wall Mart OTOH has good ones cheaper .

BCI Group 49 IIRC . the wrong ones look similar but only have 850 Cranking Amperes , barely sufficient .

One of my Diesel 123's battery lasted 10 years ~ the other died suddenly on vacation in the middle of nowhere last August ~ don't be ' furious ' just start the car and go shopping for a new one , leaving SWMBO or a friend sitting in the idling car whilst you're in the store ascertaining if they actually have the correct one before you shut it off again .

When the engine is off , reach in and try to turn the alternator by it's fan ~ if it takes a serious shove and the belt squeaks , it's O.K. ~ if you can turn the alternator by it's fan easily or stiffly but silently , the belt is too loose and may be worn out .

Remember : when you start the car cold , DO NOT shut it back off until it's run a while ! .

You cannot charge one car by jumping it with another , that only serves to get you started .

A battery that drops from 12 VDC to 7.5 is either dead or bad .
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Old 02-11-2010, 12:40 AM
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Alas, there is no walmart around here. Know anything 'bout Sears Auto? My options are Kragen, Sears Auto, Autozone, or Pep Boys...
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Old 02-11-2010, 12:54 AM
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Sear's Diehard is an excellent battery. Slightly expensive, but why cheap out on this important item? Batteries in gasser cars don't need quite the "oomph" of a diesel application. Buy the right size and you won't regret it.
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sears had THE best batteries! imo, I think you are looking for at least a battery w/ 950 cold cranking amps, I just bought one from one of those auto zoo stores and now realize I need to take it back to get one w/ correct cranking amps (950) so it will at least last a while, worth the 20 extra bucks to not have to do the jump thing!!!
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Old 02-11-2010, 01:56 AM
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Don't you have another car or a friend who can lend you the use of a "Known Good" battery? I would try that route.
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The only batteries already here are from gassers, and I'm really afraid of just running THOSE dry, too!
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:13 PM
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Got a new battery from Sears today, installed it... and she started! Thanks everyone! Gunna' get the alternator looked at when I can.

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