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Have I fried my climate control unit CCU?
OK folks, I have a 1982 Mercedes 300D turbo, 205K miles, and climate control issues. I have read most (if not all) of the entries but need some advice.
![]() I am getting hot air from the A/C vents. The car usually starts with cool air (A/C on) but then turns to hot shortly! I did have a siezed auxilary water pump, and it has been replaced and now has a 1 A fuse. It is working properly (I think). I have put in a new (inside) to the monovalve and I think it is working properly. The wire to the top of the monovalve is giving 13 volts when on max cool (engine running). I have removed and checked the in-car temperature control sensor and found that it does give the correct resistance readings according to the MB service manuel on CD. (That little thing was a B**** to get back in and connected!) The hose from the guage to the blower motor is wrapped foam and has just been replaced. I have cleaned the temperature control wheel and it seems to be working fine. The fan control is good, all buttons work as they are supposed to. When set a max cool, I hear the compressor start but still get hot air. When first started in the morning, the air is cooled but warms up quickly. I can block the aux pump hose to the heater core with vice grips and get cool air from the vents. I say cool because it runs in the mid to upper 60s from the vents; outside air is mid 90s. It should probably be colder but for now at least I know the compressor is running. I do not see bubbles in the sight glass - but probably would not recognize them if I did. I think I have fried my CCU, but am reluctant to buy a new one. The local junk yard has none. I am considering taking it apart to check from burned areas and/or crack in the solder. However, since I don't know what I am doing I havn't done that part yet. From these symptoms, does it appear that the CCU has been fried and if so, would trying to re-solder the unit be of any benefit? I maybe not, what else should I check.\?
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How old is your compressor and dryer? You may be have a slow bleed of freon .Buy a cheap a/c pressure gauge from a local parts store,I got one for $8.Then check if your charge is low.You can see by adding a can of a/c 134 with leak finder also. This will give you an indication were to start with the leak.
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The compressor and dryer are about a year and a half old. They were installed by a specialized AC shop. I had the coolant checker earlier this summer by them, and was told it was fine.
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Have them check it again ,did you see them check it or did you leave it with them and came back to get it .Heres the problem ,if youve got a leaking system ,it only gets worse .This being on a warranty they might have just thrown some sealer in the a/c system to patch it , this buys them sometime til the warranty runs out.These type of compressors on a large amount are rebuilt ,with very high pressures being loaded on a rebuilt unit ,you can see the conflict here.Their work is complete as long as you have working a/c .Their is some investigation on your own you can do, if the system was leaking they would have added a dye like liquid to the system to find the leak.Now ,if you go to the compressor and look all around the hoses and compressor with a white towel you should find some residual dye from the freon leak.Hope this isnt the case but if it is ,your now aware.
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Thanks Chasin..
Actually I did take it back to the repair shop this morning. The owner is a good guy, and I don't think he would intentionally mislead or try to cut corners like that. Also, I tried a little experiment. I disconnected the aux pump by removing the NEW ![]() If you have any other suggestions, I would like to hear them. I am a true novie when it comes to electrical stuff. Remember that "Life is a learning experience. When you stop learning, ..."
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Today I took the CCU out and apart. By apart, I mean that any part that comes apart is apart. All of the solder joints I could see with a magnifying glass look solid and robust. I checked each solder joint that looked like it was connected to another with an Ohm meter and didn't find any discontinuity. There is a darker area on the green circut board, but the CCU is marked as "rebuilt" so the darker (burned?) area could be from a previous reapir. Is there something I am missing, some test for the CCU that I can do? All the parts are spread out on a sorta work-bench.
I also checked the electro-magnet circut on the monovalve. The circut tested as good from the two connections at the top, but it also gave a resistance of about 20 ohms. Is that the right amount or should there be no resistance? This morning, I drove around with full-on air conditioning by clamping the heater hose exiting the aux pump. For Texas summers that would probably be OK, but I am somewhat retentive and would like this thing to work right (or as right as I can make it). Assistance from anyone that knows about climate control stuff would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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I had similar head scratching on my 300SD and it turned out to be an intermittent short on the coil inside the monovalve assy. I think the insulating varnish was damaged. As it's a part internal to the monovalve assembly, voltage tests on the electrical connections coming in to the monovalve did not show any issues.
In my case I got a used part - exactly just the small piece I was after - from a parts supplier in Washington State that everyone loves to hate on this bulletin board! I have no wreckers with older Mercedes in my area of BC. Given the reliability of the climate system on these cars I am wondering how many weeks will pass before something else breaks ![]() |
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Thanks 300sd. I was considering getting that from a local junkyard because I can't find anything else that is wrong. The local here has about 10 or 12 older MBs, so if you need something I can try to find it. Just let me know before I go there. I have been often enough so they recognize me. :-)
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