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Old 07-04-2010, 10:39 PM
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The diabolical broken bleed screw

Having finally completed replacing all the brake paraphernalia up front, I moved to the back, where I had planned to simply replace the hoses and pads and bleed the whole system. No reason to believe there is anything wrong with those calipers. Of course, there was the catch: One of them has a broken bleed screw, sheered off all the way. I stuck an easy out in there and it got a nice bite, I felt a snap and thought I'd gotten it loose ... on no, my Harbor Freight easyout broke off in the hole. The last set of calipers with broken bleed screws I encountered (on a GM), I just replaced at $20 a side rather than fight. These are $90 a side. I really have to spend $180 because of a broken bleed screw, don't I? Or can I try something else magical. Yes, I've tried drilling a smaller easyout into the broken easyout that's stuck in the hole. One of my 123's calipers has a broken off screw, too (my fault, I overtorqued it) and I'm eventually going to have the same problem on that one.
I really hate bleed screws right now.

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Old 07-04-2010, 11:07 PM
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lemme guess, the HF easyout broke off flush too...
you were able to drill into the easyout? wild. I'd get the set of craftsman reverse drillbits and drill into the easyout in reverse... no, wait, you'd need to drill into the easyout forward... it ought to unscrew cw... anyway, if you cannot get it out, then yes, replacement of the caliper is only choice... call a local machine shop. here in nc, there is a company shop that has an arc device that will remove anything from anything. it's awesome. we broke off a stud in a 72 superbee 383 big block head, then broke off an easy out, took it to him and in 5 seconds he had them both out. amazing to watch.
if that won't work, I have a 93 parts car that was driving when parted out to me. lemme know if you need the calipers. I have my 87 wagon now, but it's well maintained, so should not need major parts like that if I continue the maintenance.
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Old 07-04-2010, 11:26 PM
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I would take the caliper off and do this on the bench (in a vice). Take a Dremel with a cutoff wheel and cut a cross that will fit a phillips head screw driver. Get it to fit a #2 bit real well and use an impact screw driver (the type you hit with a hammer). Spray and let soak with a good penetrating lube (Freeall is one). Better yet, heat it up first with a propane torch, douse with water. Do that a few times (breaks the rust bond), then spray with penetrating oil then use the impact screw driver.

John, I like to know more about that arc process thanks.
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Old 07-05-2010, 12:03 AM
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While its best not to mess with brakes, you can still bleed the caliper in a fashion.

First with the hose not attached to the caliper bleed the line until it is free of air, you then need to make sure the system doesnt drain out the hose.
Retract the pistons, then with the caliper off the car but reconnected to the brake line, pump the brakes until the pistons have come out about 1/2 way. then disconnect the line and with the connection hole at the highest point push the pistons back in keeping the hole for the line full of fluid. Screw the hose back on & if you have been careful all the air will be out. It is a total PITA but you can do it, I have.

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Old 07-05-2010, 12:10 AM
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I've done it this way with a 123, but not on a car with abs... would it work the same? that's a lot of tubing to bleed through. gravity bleeding through the flex hoses can work pretty well too...
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Old 07-05-2010, 12:18 AM
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Ezee outs are heat treated pretty hard so it is difficult to drill through them with regular high speed Steel Drill Bits.

If someone really wanted to save the Caliper and not exchange it for a rebuilt Caliper you could pull the Caliper Piston out on that side and you might be able to drill through the tip of the Bleed Screw and get someting to beat the Ezee out back out opposite the direction it went in.
But, the Bleed Screws can be made of hard Metal and diameter of punch would be so skinny that might not work either.
Best to just exchange the Caliper and let the Rebuilder worry about fixing the old one.
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Old 07-05-2010, 01:37 AM
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Thanks, all. I may tinker with it a bit more tomorrow. There's no way anything I have will drill into that easyout bit (I'm sure something would, but not my tools). I might give philips head trick a try but I think the breakoff is too close to the caliper itself, i.e., there's nothing for the screwdriver to bite. I'm guessing I'm just wasting my time at this point. Kicking myself for not using a better easyout ... maybe it would have worked.
vstech, are the 93 calipers the same as the 87's? How much do you want for them + shipping? Of course with the holiday tomorrow it would take a while to get them .. patience isn't my strongpoint.
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:41 AM
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There's no way anything I have will drill into that easyout bit (I'm sure something would, but not my tools).
If you have mapp gas plumber's torch (hotter than propane) then heat the easy out until it is red hot, and let cool down. The slower the better. It may take a two or three times.
When I had a tap break off in a piece of work that I already had invested a couple hours in, i wasn't about to let that go. At its factory temper, there was no way I could have drilled through it - I tried. But I heated it up red hot twice and each time i dropped it in a bucket of loose vermiculite (insulates it so it cools even slower - you could use sand or dirt) and after that I threw it on the lathe and the bit chewed right through that tap like it was aluminum.

All you have to do is ruin the temper on the ease out. Its really not hard, and its a very cheap way to save your caliper. A little metallurgy can go a long way.
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:44 AM
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You would spend less time and save your sanity if you just put another caliper on. They're easy enough to get at the Junkyard. $15- $20 and you're done.
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:55 AM
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a cobalt bit should do the trick, and get a snap on easyout set. they're worth the money if for nothing more that saved frustration. That's not to say that they don't break as well though.
Whatever you do, do not heat it red hot and cool with water....
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Old 07-05-2010, 06:42 AM
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... brake fluid is flammable... use caution with a torch!!
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Old 07-05-2010, 08:43 AM
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If you can find them left hand spiraled drill bits are a blessing for this sort of problem.

The harder and further you drill in there the more likely the "blessed" bleed nipple will unscrew itself on its threads - which negates the need to pick out swarf from the threads if you had drilled out with a normal drill bit.
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Old 07-05-2010, 08:56 AM
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Thanks, all. I may tinker with it a bit more tomorrow. There's no way anything I have will drill into that easyout bit (I'm sure something would, but not my tools). I might give philips head trick a try but I think the breakoff is too close to the caliper itself, i.e., there's nothing for the screwdriver to bite. I'm guessing I'm just wasting my time at this point. Kicking myself for not using a better easyout ... maybe it would have worked.
vstech, are the 93 calipers the same as the 87's? How much do you want for them + shipping? Of course with the holiday tomorrow it would take a while to get them .. patience isn't my strongpoint.
Cut into the caliper with the Dremel if you have to, the seal is a flare at the bottom of the hole, not the threads. The heat and water is to cause expansion contraction and breaking the bond between the threads. Use a propane torch, it won't get the caliper red hot (which you do not need). Try a slot and a regular screw driver with heat/water at first if you do not have an impact screw driver. If the screw driver does not get it out. Try a punch on the slot.
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How many miles on the calipers? Perhaps a new set is in the offing & replacing them now will give you a nice new refurbished system. Still...I'm cheap & would try to get what I have working. Parts stores have metric bleeder screws.
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Old 07-05-2010, 11:42 AM
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How many miles on the calipers? Perhaps a new set is in the offing & replacing them now will give you a nice new refurbished system. Still...I'm cheap & would try to get what I have working. Parts stores have metric bleeder screws.
These are 265,000-mile calipers, so it's not like it would be an entire waste to replace them. I just replaced the fronts (one seized) so it would indeed give me a nice new system. Truth be told what bothers me the most is the feeling of not being able to fix a silly little screw. I have the replacement screw in my shed (got from PeachParts I think).
The conflict is between wanting to finish what I started (get the screw out) and wanting to get the car on the road (replace the calipers and roll). Might as well try a little drilling/cutting today though ... I'm guessing NAPA is closed today anyway, as is the post office (can't get used ones shipped).

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