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Old 09-27-2010, 09:50 AM
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any issues with running jet fuel in a 606?

would i encounter issues with burning it in my '98 e300td? i ran the stuff straight in my sdl with a good fuel conditioner, but that was a $1,000 car. jet fuel is essentially kero but i'm leery of running anything but proper diesel in a car i spent a nice chunk of change on.

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Old 09-27-2010, 09:55 AM
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Why would you want to run jet fuel? If you have money to throw away I can send you my address.
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jet fuel is essentially kero...
Not all jet fuel is the same. Which variety are you intending to use?

Here is an additive that might be of interest if using Jet A or JP-8:

http://www.fppf.com/lubricity100.asp

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Old 09-27-2010, 09:57 AM
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"Aviation Kerosene" will make it run, but IIRC the lubricity isn't up to the task, and you will be reducing HP and MPG with the lower BTU/energy content of jet fuel.
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i should have mentioned it was clean sumped and FREE. we run jp-5/jp-8 depending up the seasons. we also run all of our diesel gse on jet fuel. i did a search and found this issue has been beaten to death on this web site so i'll leave it to my discretion and continue with regular diesel. there is some great info on the subject within this forum though.
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i should have mentioned it was clean sumped and FREE. we run jp-5/jp-8 depending up the seasons. we also run all of our diesel gse on jet fuel. i did a search and found this issue has been beaten to death on this web site so i'll leave it to my discretion and continue with regular diesel. there is some great info on the subject within this forum though.
That sounds like the safe course of action. Aside from being illegal, I don't believe #1 fuel oil meets the lubricity requirements for your engine. The older engines allowed up to about 50% mixture of #1 for very cold weather conditions.
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If it was me, I would add a few gallons to a fill-up in the winter and not get carried away with diluting the #1 Diesel too much.
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would i encounter issues with burning it in my '98 e300td? i ran the stuff straight in my sdl with a good fuel conditioner, but that was a $1,000 car. jet fuel is essentially kero but i'm leery of running anything but proper diesel in a car i spent a nice chunk of change on.

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Yes, it is possible and EPA approved but you do need to use the already mentioned fuel lubricity supplement since OM606 is not 'multi fuel' rated. We did that for a long time in the Army (JP 4 and 8 in 2 1/2 ton trucks) but when the HMMWVs came out, POL (fuel handlers) started tweeking the mix - or so I was told.

Are you using old fuel that has been drained for samples?
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ATF?

I know the pros and cons of this are hotly debated - but what about cutting it with some ATF to help with the lubricity?
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Seems that 2-stroke oil is a more popular vote.
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I know the pros and cons of this are hotly debated - but what about cutting it with some ATF to help with the lubricity?
Not a good idea since ATF it is red, like off road diesel. A tank dip could give false positive.
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Here's a link to a study of additives to increase lubricity in ulsd. Seems to me you could blend your fuel with bio diesel to get the desired lubricity once you know the base line HFRR score of your fuel. My guess is it wouldn't take more than 5% which shouldn't be a problem with rubber parts deterioration in your fuel system.
Even if you have to pay for the tests (raw fuel & 5% blend) you'd be way ahead of the game in fuel savings if the tests come back good.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177728
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http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=177728

^ that was a good read. like i said, i'm going to bag the idea of jet fuel in the e300. it's too nice of a car to start gambling with weird fuel blends. if i jump back on the 617 bandwagon then i'll reconsider. thanks.

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