I have an '87 300D whose climate control system has a weird latch-up problem:
- start car cold from overnight rest ( outside temp less than approx 65 F )
-user has no control over system operation..system delivers full-hot air via outboard dash vents, blower does not run. Air movement from vents is due only to movement of car..stop car at traffic light, air movement ceases.
-after driving approx 5 minutes, turn off engine and restart, system now normally controllable, blower runs.
-after the restart, sporadic relay cycling can be heard in dash cavity..diminishes with time as car temperature increases.

If the overnight outside air temp is above approx 65 F, problem does not occur.
Anyone seen this problem?

If you have a similar CCU as in a push button unit, most problems such as yours are cold solder related. The unit will send intermittent signals and all sorts of oddities occur.

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Bearings in blower motor are probably near gone or all gunked up. When the interior gets a little warmer they loosen up and start working. I'd be surprised if cycling the CCU a few times didn't result in the same effect as restarting the engine. No difference to the blower motor. Try pushing the high speed fan button and cycling the CCU off/on a few times. It is possible to disassemble the blower motor and clean up the bearings from what I've read here. May just need a few drops of oil. Do a search.

Relay cycling inside CCU is normal. It's reacting to temp changes, energizing vacuum solenoids / vent pods, blower speeds, etc. If your system is acting normally when warmed up then the CCU is probably fine.

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mjk

'84 300SD 119KMi (Liesl der Diesel)
'84 300D 326KMi when the oil left (former parts car)
'82 300SD 253KMi (new parts car)

There is a 5 volt regulator on the lower printed wiring board within the control assy. This regulator probably supplies the 5 volts for all the digital logic ICs in the control assy. A 33 uF capacitor on the output side of the regulator had gone bad (capacitance much too small) due to age, temperature extremes, etc. The regulator needs a minimum of 22 uF to work properly, per the manufacturer's data sheet for the regulator. I replaced the capacitor and another one just like it that was found on the upper printed wiring board...they both had the same bad appearance on visual inspection. My control assy part number is 124 830 18 85. Assy works fine after repair.

Cool!

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What Would Rudolph Do?
1975 300D, 1975 240D, 1985 300SD, 1997 300D, 2005 E320 , 2006 Toyota Prius

Any chance someone can expound on this a bit? My 87 wagon is doing the same thing!

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1987 300TDT - 195,000 (Original #14 head)
1993 190E 2.3 - 105,000
1981 300D - 250,000

This is good information. Power supply capacitors are the bane of all older electronic equipment. Did you happen to take any pictures of the disassembly/repair/re-assembly process.

Jeremy

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1996 E300D (W210) . .338,000 miles Wife's car
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hope to get more information on this. I seem to be experiencing similar problems

Glad to hear you found the problem.

But I would check the fuse to make sure the tabs holding the fuse have not melted the fuse box and embedded themself into the plastic. This causes the fuse not to seat properly causing insufficient power to get to the climate control unit. After I gently pryed the tab from the plastic on my 81' 300TD, the climate control worked fine saving my some bucks.

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81' 300TD
Peter

I wanted to bump this thread and say thanks.

I was having the exact same symptoms as described in the first post. I found the 5 volt regulator and googled up a data sheet for it so I would know which leg was the output. Then followed the output to the capacitor. It was labeled 33/16 along with some other markings and was a brownish plastic cylinder. I replaced it with an aluminum electrolytic capacitor of the same rating although the physical size was a little bit smaller. It seems to be working correctly now.

I've been away from this forum for quite a while and just saw requests for more info. I'll be glad to help if folks are still needing help.
//steve

Steve,
Please post any details that you may have. I started a thread on this a few days ago and have not received any replies, although I now think I have the same issue as you did and may need some guidance for the solution.

Thanks,
Bill

PS
Here is a pic of the inside of a spare 88 w124 CCU. If you can point out where the key problem areas were from your experience would be of great help. Thanks
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Stable Mates:
1987 300TD 310K mi (Hans)
2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee OM642 165k mi (Benzrokee)

I'll post some pics shortly...trying to reduce my images sizes so as to not violate the max image size restrictions.
//steve

One the left side below the double row header of connector pins, you see a three leg device with "VR" stamped on circuit board nearby it. That's a voltage regulator. Follow its traces to nearby capacitors. The ones that go first are the round metal can electrolytic type.

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Scott McPhee

1987 300D

Thanks Scott.
I hope I'm not hijacking this thread, not my intentions. Can anyone confirm if the control units are interchangeable between years, possibly pre-facelift vs post?

Also as to my surprise when I removed my actual 87 control unit and opened it up, I was surprised by the difference in design. Mine is an early 87, and the first picture I supplied was a spare dated 88. So in just 2 years, assuming 86-87 shared the same design, and then it changed in 88?

Here is a pic of the older unit which seems possibly more in line with with what others have seen. There are two chocolate covered capacitors one on each the upper and lower boards. The 88 has no upper board.

Thoughts?

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Stable Mates:
1987 300TD 310K mi (Hans)
2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee OM642 165k mi (Benzrokee)