Will Mercedes ever build another engine like the 617 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

vahe · #1 02-19-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulcrum525

Take a look at what the Europeans get for engine options

We'll be getting one of those engines in the fall.

Would you elaborate on the above, what exactly is coming here in the fall?

Vahe

chasinthesun · #2 02-20-2011, 11:53 AM

Sometimes the old ways are the best ways .Im suggesting a wrap around idea of how Mercedes could sell their durability features of the 617 motor into what has now become attractive to most US buyers and that is to revisit past car designs.The mustang ,camaro ,charger .All have been restyled to reinvent their popularity.If Mercedes could build on those ideas of how the 617 was a leader for its stable of diesel powered vehicles,it could rise interest in the diesel engine for buyers here in the US.

vahe · #3 02-20-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chasinthesun

If Mercedes could build on those ideas of how the 617 was a leader for its stable of diesel powered vehicles,it could rise interest in the diesel engine for buyers here in the US.

The problem is not Mercedes but it is the MB USA, these folks insist on importing the most expen$ive models to US for obvious reasons. There are many smaller MB diesels that are sold all over the world except US, you are given the choice of what size diesel engine you want in your C or E class cars as well as standard transmissions, we can only dream about these here in US. Some of the smaller 200 and 220 diesel engines offer fuel economy comparable to VW TDI with MB ride.

The 617 and 616 engines are no longer practical considering the strict emission laws, you need a lot more horsepower to deal with the emission control.

I have a nice and clean 240D manual as well as a 2011 BlueTEC, the BleTEC is an amazing performer but it is too complex for any service beyond its 50K/4 year warranty period, after driving the BluTEC the 240D drives, sounds and performs like a riding lawnmower, but there is a certain charm to this primitive diesel that can not be denied. The BluTEC is really a throw away car, just open the hood and look at what is under there, scary.

Vahe

glenlloyd · #4 02-20-2011, 02:03 PM

As another said, you would likely never get the 617 to pass current emission standards where applicable, and really if we've learned anything from the past decade it's that DI is really better.

The only reason it has become accepted in the US more now is that it no longer sounds like you're driving a tractor, not that there's anything wrong with that for me personally, but for a lot of people it's unattractive.

I tool around in a 1986 Golf diesel, now that sounds like a tractor.

JHZR2 · #5 02-20-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vahe

The problem is not Mercedes but it is the MB USA, these folks insist on importing the most expen$ive models to US for obvious reasons. There are many smaller MB diesels that are sold all over the world except US, you are given the choice of what size diesel engine you want in your C or E class cars as well as standard transmissions, we can only dream about these here in US. Some of the smaller 200 and 220 diesel engines offer fuel economy comparable to VW TDI with MB ride.

Absolutely. You can get cars with plastic hubcaps and tiny engines most anywhere else...

markg612 · #6 02-25-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vahe

I have a nice and clean 240D manual as well as a 2011 BlueTEC, the BleTEC is an amazing performer but it is too complex for any service beyond its 50K/4 year warranty period, after driving the BluTEC the 240D drives, sounds and performs like a riding lawnmower, but there is a certain charm to this primitive diesel that can not be denied. The BluTEC is really a throw away car, just open the hood and look at what is under there, scary.

Vahe

Well put; I've always said tractor over mower, but same difference.

You're W212 comment is more true than you can believe, I have an 05 W211.026 and changed the thermostat yesterday, the boars for the bracket bolts were not threaded, the bolts did the threading. The radiator hoses are clipped in, the amount of plastic under the hood is disheartening and the complexity of the electronics will send these cars to the crusher long before any 124 ever went. UGH.

Don't get me wrong, I love driving my 211, but I can't see running it out 15 years with the same reliability I'm getting from my 285000 mile 124.131, it just keeps going and is cheap to maintain. (could use a valve job though, a little recession going on in 2 cylinders.)