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Old 03-02-2011, 06:50 PM
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How is this even possible? Were working on a 300cd and non of the windows work at all. We swapped in good known good switches, nothing. I directly power the window motors and they work great. The fuse is fine and I replaced it with a new one and checked continuity. Im not getting any power to the switch sockets though. My question: Is there a relay? Google searches are of no avail neither is alldata.
It's helpful when you say "the fuse" if you specify which one. There are three associated with the power windows. Do you mean fuses "a" and "b" that control front right\rear left and front left\rear right, respectively? I presume no, since you say "fuse" singular.

So you probably mean fuse 12. This provides power to the relay.

Yes, there's a relay. If Funola knows it's on the wheel well, I'll defer to his experience; but the electrical service manual says it's behind the cluster.

One more question: what's the key position when you're testing? The relay only closes in Run (position II) or start. ACC (position I) doesn't close the relay, so no power to the switches.

To isolate the door wiring, try applying power across pins 3 and 4 on the front switches; or pins 1 and 2 on the rear. Of course there are no rear doors on a CD, so the "mangled accordion" won't be a factor there.
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Old 03-02-2011, 07:40 PM
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Yes, there's a relay. If Funola knows it's on the wheel well, I'll defer to his experience; but the electrical service manual says it's behind the cluster.
I am going by memory from more than a year ago when I last worked on the pwr windows on my 83 300DT. If the FSM says the relay is behind the cluster, then I am clearly wrong and I apoligize.
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:35 PM
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I am going by memory from more than a year ago when I last worked on the pwr windows on my 83 300DT. If the FSM says the relay is behind the cluster, then I am clearly wrong and I apoligize.
No slight intended. I added the reference to location behind the cluster in case it wasn't on the fender in order to help the OP with additional troubleshooting info.

I'm citing a 1982 electrical manual I haven't pulled the relay behind the cluster. And the manual isn't perfect - it has 4 pages of errata that correct other errors. My favorite is the correction for the coupe seat back locking diagram: "Seat back locking safety mechanism not shown at all."

Actual BTDT can be more helpful than the book.

Maybe it's time for a "name and locate that relay" thread/sticky. Photos and FSM/BTDT references mandatory.
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Old 03-03-2011, 01:53 PM
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Now we noticed another issue which I think is related. The car no longer supplies power to the starter relay. I dont think its the NSS. Also this morning the power windows worked momentarily so I'm beginning to think its the main ignition relay or whatever relay energizes when you switch on the ignition and then powers everything else. Is there such a relay in the dash? Possible ignition switch?
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