Joe from skid row- "The guy" was asking the all knowing forum. If I wanted to go out and check my manual, I could, but "the guy" wanted to see what other owners personal experiences were. And your mix of 50% unleaded GASOLINE and kerosene isn't the kind of advice I would take anyway. Advice like that could leave some young newbie searching for a new 300 turbo DIESEL. (Apparently, Joe, you didn't read your own thread)

Every body else. Thanks for your kind help and self effacing behavior. No, the kero that I get from the stations around here in Missouri sell only clear. I guess it's good to not be in NC. Thanks friends, my question is answered.

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1951 Chevy 3100

2003 Indian Chief Roadmaster

1983 GMC 1 ton Dually

1982 Chevy 1 ton Dually, service body (sold)

'90 GMC Suburban 6.2 "SS Veg-Burban"
(single tank WVO\diesel conversion) SOLD

'81 300D ~ Mama's car...my job (now my car)(but still my job) SOLD

'83 300sd ~ rescue car SOLD

2005 Ford Taurus (Mama's new car)(NOT my job!)

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1951 Chevy 3100

2003 Indian Chief Roadmaster

1983 GMC 1 ton Dually

1982 Chevy 1 ton Dually, service body (sold)

'90 GMC Suburban 6.2 "SS Veg-Burban"
(single tank WVO\diesel conversion) SOLD

'81 300D ~ Mama's car...my job (now my car)(but still my job) SOLD

'83 300sd ~ rescue car SOLD

2005 Ford Taurus (Mama's new car)(NOT my job!)

I read it, John, the other month when you wrote it. Perhaps the particular State you were in was "profiling," or perhaps they had a campaign going on. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying it is not widespread. Big difference there.

I have driven in excess of 1/2 million miles combined in the MB diesel cars I've been driving for 20 years and for 25 years in two different diesel coaches over the road in about 30 states. From Virginia, Georgia & Florida, west to Arizona, Nevada. Laredo/McAllen & El Paso, Texas to the Canadian Border of Minnesota. I have never been stopped for anything much less a fuel check.

When it happens to me, or anyone I know personally, I'll report it. I'm not concerned about it. Should I be?

It would depend on the amount used, as you just wrote. I wrote advising the OP to read the OM of his/her older MB diesel. I don't have an old one anymore, so I couldn't quote it here.

What does one of your old MB diesel's owners manual state? I already stated that it was a long time ago since I read it. There is a mix, of a winter blend recommended by MB in my SD OM - but it's been a lot of years since I sold the SD. Apparently no one has looked in their old OM to learn anything about MB's stated winter blend?

Absolutely no problem in using it straight. I have been running my 617 exclusively on straight Jet-A1 (kerosene) for over 14 years now, can't remember the last time I pulled up at a Diesel pump. All Military vehicles and diesel ground equipment (in Iraq etc) use only straight JP8, there has been a single fuel policy for many years now in combat situations.

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Thanks to Beagle for posting the correct information, to counterbalance the dangerous suggestion by the resident expert on life/wealth/automobiles/home ownership et al to use 50/50 diesel and gasoline.

I could see a neophyte diesel owner reading the misinformation and ruining his injection pump and engine in short order. A little information is a dangerous thing.....

Also, diesel fuel has much improved since the early '80s, so fuel gelling isn't the issue it once was.

I know a guy who rebuilds diesel pumps for a living, and he loves people who use wvo or kerosene or used atf or used motor oil. Simply because it ruins the injector pump. It's a diesel, use diesel in it. This guy rebuilt the $$$ injection pump in the John Deere diesel powered air compressor I own, and I'm sure not run some homemade brew in it, or use any amount of gasoline mixed in the fuel.

Rant over

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Well, heh. I hate to say I told you so - but I did. According to this technical sheet - 30% blending ratio of gasoline to diesel fuel.

I don't know that this is from the Mercedes-Benz Owners Manual for their diesels - but the fact is I was right about the gasoline blending after all.

um, nobody said mb didn't at one time recommend a smart amount of Gas blended into DIESEL at extreme cold temps...

you recommended blending gasoline into kerosene.... and running that blend... Um
that would be bad!

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You're correct - heh, I mispoke without thinking through what I was writing.

I'll remove the post so as not to accidentally mislead anyone stumbling across it - thanks!

Yes, it is from the owners manual of an early '80s diesel.

It's not as simple as adding 30% gasoline to diesel fuel, and everthing will be peachy.

If one bothered to read it, it states that low ocatne gasoline or kerosene may be used up to a 30% ratio at temps below -15 degrees Celcius. Obviously kerosene is better, because it has more lubricity than gasoline.

The only reason this should be done is to prevent fuel gelling.

Obviously, this is an extreme measure for extreme weather conditions, and does not do the injector pump or engine any good. Better to avoid doing this unless you absolutly have to. I don't want the diesel newbies to think that they should add gasoline to diesel during the winter as a standard operating procedure.














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My guess is it's more likely to happen in agricultural areas, where untaxed "off-road" diesel is readily available.

Mixing gasoline with diesel (as above) was bad advice 30 years ago, with the minimal lubricity of today's low and ULSD's its sabotage! The last thing you need to be adding to it is a solvent. Don't do it - EVER. No problem with kerosene as it has ±0.3% sulfur and auto-ignition temp 230°C the same as #1Diesel. If you are an Eskimo use it straight year round.

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Perhaps, but NOT in Texas. Texas is of course mostly rural, ranching, and oil operations out in the country.

I was visiting wirh a Deputy Sheriff this evening that is very active in my part of Dallas County. He drives an unmarked Ford Crown Vic rooting out the low-life drug dealers perusing the streets, as well as traffic enfocement. He said that he's never heard of this "dipping tanks deal." After I told him what it involved, he then went on to explain that the DPS (Department of Public Safety) Texas Highway Patrol - had an unwritten rule on even the driving enforcement and "to look the other way on vehicles (pickups) with the FARM emblems on their Texas license plate tags." Whether a FARM emblem vehicle is running petrol bought at a reduced price versus retail-bought, just does not matter to Texans. Is my read on it.

I think the dipping deal is out East. We've never had any of that "tank-dipping jazz" around here in the southwest - nor do I look for it anytime soon. Hopefully not in my lifetime.

If what you believe is true, then explain (if you are able to) why did Mercedes-Benz recommend it in their MB diesel owners manuals?