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Old 06-05-2011, 11:20 AM
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I am still troubleshooting my poor charging problem in the 300TD

Alternators go in putting out proper voltage (~14.1-13.7V), but after a couple of weeks, performance declines and they stop working.

It has happened 2 or 3 times (once there was a bad battery in the car as well, so I am not sure which came first.)

While I am waiting on a replacement alternator I am digging into the wiring.

The wires coming to the 3 port junction just behind the expansion coolant tank all look good - I had previously cut out the burned ends and spliced new terminals on.

But, the brake sensor wire on the PS is pretty rough. The outer insulation had cracked, so I wrapped it with electrical tape. Now, the electrical tape is showing signs of heat distortion, and the modular plug on the cabin side had melted and warped and was burned right through right above where one of the wires connects with a socket. The connections themselves have corrosion in them. So clearly this wire must be replaced, and I need a new modular socket on the cabin side as well.

My question is if you think this is enough of a problem to cause my alternator failures.

On a recent trip, about 4 hours of continuous highway drving with only the headlights on (no radio, AC, interior lights, or anything in the cig lighter) led to a 60% loss of charge.
If the connectors are melting or burning through, you're getting a significant current draw. Since the brake pad wear sensors are nowhere near a critical item, I'd disconnect them completely until you can clean up the connections and replace/rebuild the harnesses.

I used a length of vacuum tubing and re-shrouded the wires on mine. The insulation on the individual wires was okay, but the outer tube/shroud was dry and crumbly. You may have an electrical hobby-shop project on your hands.
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Old 06-05-2011, 03:16 PM
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You may have an electrical hobby-shop project on your hands.
I am so afraid of that!

OK, so I didn't have to start the car at all - I realized that the brake sensor is activated in the last accessory position of the ign switch.

In the 240D, the yellow light comes on before ignition.

In this car the Alt light used to come on prefire, then stay on after ignition until I hit the throttle the first time. Can't remember the last time I saw the yellow brake light.

Now neither light comes on.

So I tested the voltage across the sensor wire leads and with ign off, it is 0, with ign in last position it is ~12 (GP relay was active in that position too, so it droppped duing that).

Then I tested current from the hot lead of the brake wire plug on the PS (melted one) to the neg. terminal of the battery.

No continuity down to 200k range, and there it read ~163 ohm

Moved to the DS for comparison: No continuity down to the 200 (smallest) scale, but there it pegged and the meter screamed at me. Back up, and it shows no continuity at larger scale???

Not sure how to interpret this.
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Old 06-05-2011, 07:37 PM
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I am so afraid of that!

OK, so I didn't have to start the car at all - I realized that the brake sensor is activated in the last accessory position of the ign switch.

In the 240D, the yellow light comes on before ignition.

In this car the Alt light used to come on prefire, then stay on after ignition until I hit the throttle the first time. Can't remember the last time I saw the yellow brake light.

Now neither light comes on.

So I tested the voltage across the sensor wire leads and with ign off, it is 0, with ign in last position it is ~12 (GP relay was active in that position too, so it droppped duing that).

Then I tested current from the hot lead of the brake wire plug on the PS (melted one) to the neg. terminal of the battery.

No continuity down to 200k range, and there it read ~163 ohm

Moved to the DS for comparison: No continuity down to the 200 (smallest) scale, but there it pegged and the meter screamed at me. Back up, and it shows no continuity at larger scale???

Not sure how to interpret this.
I'm not sure what you're saying/measuring here. If you put an ammeter to measure current from the hot lead (+12v) to the neg side of the battery, it should have sparked, then blown the fuse since that would be a dead short from +12 to ground. Unless by "hot" you mean temperature 'hot' (melted) and not voltage 'hot' (+12v) and you're looking for resistance/impedance (ohms) and not current (amps).

Can you tell what color wire you're measuring: brown or brown/red? If brown, then you should have very low ohms from that pin to ground. If brown/red it could give some funky readings since the meter may get confused by the added current from the car in addition to what it's providing.

Does your parking brake light work? What about the low fuel light? These lights share a connection on the cluster wiring trace that goes back to the alternator. It's possible a short in the cluster or at the brakes may be contributing to killing the regulators in the alternators.

Can you set your meter to Amps (current) and then connect from the brown/red wire on the "car" side of the sensor to ground and measure what happens with the ignition on? You should see a low current draw that equates to the light bulb in the dash and see the bulb glow. You're basically replicating the pad wear sensor closing. Assuming something like a 1.2 Watt bulb, the current ought to be 0.1 Amp (P= IV, 1.2 W = 0.1 A * 12 V)
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Old 06-05-2011, 08:28 PM
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"Burned Ends"

Zeke,

I don't believe (You) (or anyone else reading this) has understood the significance of your sentence:
"The wires coming to the 3 port junction just behind the expansion coolant tank all look good - I had previously cut out the burned ends and spliced new terminals on."

HOW DID THE ENDS GET BURNED?
(Just cutting off the SCORCHED ends of the cable does not "FIX" the CAUSE)

Did this chassis suffer a FIRE?
[It MAY in the Near Future,with the symptoms you describe]

Find the CAUSE of the Power Transmission Cables BURNING and then you can
confidently fix the problem.

Unsolicited Rant:
If I've got Alternators "Going South"
(I don't know what else to call it,'Cause you can't tell us How,or What FAILED in the Generation System.)
AND I'm seeing Burned Power Transmission Cables...
I'm not risking Myself or the Chassis by operating the Vehicle.
UNTIL the Anomaly is COMPLETELY diagnosed and rectified!
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