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Old 01-02-2012, 09:57 PM
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Fuel Supply/Lift Pump kit; see post #7 for list of kits by Engine

Bosch FP/K22MW22 Feed pump

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Old 01-02-2012, 11:59 PM
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Now I'm just getting more confused
I blew compressed air back into the tank from the hard fuel line.

Changed out all fuel lines again from hard fuel line from tank- primary plastic filter - lift pump.

Still had half fuel volume in primary plastic filter when I let it idle.

Then I got the bright idea that maybe because the car is just idling I'm not engaging the lift pump enough.

Drove around the block once and parked it again.

Before I make my order at Fastlane, I think I may try and drain the tank and check out the tank filter and see if it's gummed up.
It is perfectly normal for a bubble of air to be trapped in the Pre-filter – in reality it is not trapped there. Air is entering the Spin-on filter continuously as it is flushed out of the Pre-filter. The Spin-on filter is designed to cope with it. The source of the air is fuel foaming in the tank as it sloshes around - ever filled your tank right to the top and had to wait for all the lather to settle?

Once the fuel system has been fully bled it is impossible for air entering the main Spin-on filter to reach the Fuel Pump L/P chamber unless:
a) The filters, tank strainer or fuel lines are blocked
b) You run it out of fuel.

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The results where strange, the plastic fuel filter had fuel half way up the internal screen (which has been the case) but there was fuel at the very top of the filter where it connects to the tank line. Not sure why that fuel didn't fall into the filter. (I've been keeping that filter as vertical as possible so it won't suck in as much air.)
That is quite right what you describe. When you fill a new filter from the “In” end a bubble is trapped inside the screen – air can’t permeate through the fine screen, unless under pressure, once it is wet

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Do I need to burb the fuel system or fill the plastic fuel filter with diesel before I connect it.
Right! Fill it from both ends before you connect.

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Not sure if the problem is before or after the lift pump, or the lift pump itself.
The functionality of the lift pump can be thoroughly checked in less than 1 minute by removing the hose from the steel return line and checking for a steady flow into a can at idle that increases with RPM. Remember well over 90% of fuel by-passes the IP and returns to the tank for cooling. This is also a good check on the state of your filters - a dribble means its time to change them.

Don’t worry about the bubble its best to mount the filter horizontally.
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Old 01-03-2012, 12:17 AM
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[QUOTE=Beagle;2857589]It is perfectly normal for a bubble of air to be trapped in the pre-filter – in reality it is not trapped there. Air is entering the primary filter continuously as it is flushed out of the pre-filter and the Primary filter is designed to cope with it. The source of the air is fuel foaming in the tank as it sloshes around - ever filled your tank right to the top and had to wait for all the lather to settle?

Once the fuel system has been fully bled it is impossible for air entering the Primary filter to reach the Fuel Pump L/P chamber unless:
a) The filters, tank strainer or fuel lines are blocked
b).[/QUOTEc

I do not believe the comments in the fist paragraph. If you connect a longer Fuel Inlet Hose and run it into a separated container of Diesel Fuel (with no air Bubbles in it) you will find your Bubble still in the Plastic Filter.
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I do not believe the comments in the fist paragraph. If you connect a longer Fuel Inlet Hose and run it into a separated container of Diesel Fuel (with no air Bubbles in it) you will find your Bubble still in the Plastic Filter.
Your comment makes no sense I think you had better read my first paragraph again.
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Cool, thanks Beagle, should have thought of this myself. Lift pump seems fine. Good flow at idle going back to tank.

I will now empty the tank and check the screen.

Diesel 911, thanks for the link to the lift pump kits, I search forever and couldn't find it. Has been bookmarked for the future.

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The functionality of the lift pump can be thoroughly checked in less than 1 minute by removing the hose from the steel return line and checking for a steady flow into a can at idle that increases with RPM. Remember well over 90% of fuel by-passes the IP and returns to the tank for cooling. This is also a good check on the state of your filters - a dribble means its time to change them.

Don’t worry about the bubble its best to mount the filter horizontally.
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Your comment makes no sense I think you had better read my first paragraph again.
"It is perfectly normal for a bubble of air to be trapped in the pre-filter – in reality it is not trapped there. Air is entering the primary filter continuously as it is flushed out of the pre-filter and the Primary filter is designed to cope with it. The source of the air is fuel foaming in the tank as it sloshes around - ever filled your tank right to the top and had to wait for all the lather to settle?"

If you stick a longer Fuel Inlet Hose (as a test) into a small separate Container of Diesel Fuel it cannot slosh around and Foam. Yet, you will still have a stationary bubble in your Plastic Primary Filter.
The Bubble in the Primary Plastic Filter must be stationary because no Air is being pulled in from the small Container of Fuel to keep the Bubble filled up and the Bubbles size does not decrease.
So I believe the Air Bubble is indeed trapped inside of the Plastic Primary Filter.
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It is perfectly normal for a bubble of air to be trapped in the Pre-filter –
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So I believe the Air Bubble is indeed trapped inside of the Plastic Primary Filter.
Astonishing! C'mon - WAKE UP! Welcome to my "ignore" list.
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Well, the good news is, the tank screen was totally clean.

Bad news for me is that, I'm going to have to drive it until it dies again at speed and figure out my problem.

Thanks guys, I appreciate everyone's input.

Let's end this thread and call it a learning experience.

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Astonishing! C'mon - WAKE UP! Welcome to my "ignore" list.
OK; ignore me.
But, these are some of the comments I remember reading:
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"Your comment makes no sense I think you had better read my first paragraph again."
I went back and looked at the Paragraph agauin and this is part of what I read in the paragraph:
"It is perfectly normal for a bubble of air to be trapped in the pre-filterin reality it is not trapped there."

Perhaps it was just a bad choice of words. To me this means the bubble is trapped but then you say it is not trapped; and it cannot be both.

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