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Old 11-18-2012, 08:53 PM
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Please help trans shifting when hot

The problem: The trani shifts smooth as glass when cold, up and down.
But after fifteen minutes,as the trani heats the down shift starts to go bad, thump when coming to a stop.
The vacuum system is tight. runs at 19Hg and will hold all night. The heater is all rebuilt(new pods through out). The modulator holds vacuum.
Is it possible the modulator hangs up when hot. Is it possible to lube the modulator piston? Would that help?
On these cars is perfection even possible?
Thanks for your comments and past help. Without this board I could not have the pleasure of driving this car.

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Old 11-18-2012, 09:41 PM
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You are supposed to have more than 19Hg of Vacuum. Somewhere around 21-22Hg is normal for a well used but good Vac Pump.

Connect your Vac Gauge and see what happens when you Brake. It may be that the Vacuum is plunging when you brake.

When I accidently disconnected the Vac Line at the Modulator I the Trans upshifted OK but I got HARSH down shifts.
So I think it is possible if when you brake and the Vacuum drops drops too much it could do the same harsh down shifts.
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:41 PM
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T a vacuum gauge into the system and monitor the vacuum levels when it downshifts hard. MityVac will work with a hose run out thru the cowl and Mity Vac balanced in front of the windshield.
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T a vacuum gauge into the system and monitor the vacuum levels when it downshifts hard.
Kindly T a vacuum gauge into the line that goes down to the modulator at the transmission and put the gauge in front of the driver during a road test.

Any other location for measuring vacuum is irrelevant.

Reply back with results at various speeds, gears, and pedal positions.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:33 PM
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The rain finally stopped, teed my vacuum gauge into the line to the modulator
and taped the gauge to the window.
Cold idle=17Hg same when hot.
Takes five brake applications to dump the vacuum.
No vacuum change when normal braking.
Vacuum holds twenty minutes when parked.
Full throttle=10Hg, no throttle=17HG.
Smooth down shift when cold.
After twenty minutes of town driving the down shifts start to
get harsh. After a few minutes more the down shifts get real thumpy.
I grit my teeth in anticipation when coming to a stop.
If 17Hg works when cold what is going on when hot.
Thanks for involving yourselves in my problem.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:04 PM
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17" vacuum should result in perfectly smooth shifts and possibly some flaring.

The fact that it does not and starts to bang into gear leads to the conclusion that the modulator is non-functional.

FWIW, the SD has been reduced to 8" at idle...........less with some pedal. It does not bang into any gear nor does it have any hard downshifts.
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Old 11-22-2012, 03:56 PM
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Thanks Brian.
You say your SD is at 8Hg. I guess if the Vacuum -pressure is in balance with the Modular pressure all will be OK. Finding that balance is the trick.
Can the Modulator be serviced or just replaced.
Also I am considering scrapping the Vacuum pump and installing a
12 volt rotary vane pump from a Volvo. Do you have any thoughts on this.
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Old 11-22-2012, 09:34 PM
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Check and see if the Cap is still on the Transmission Modulator and if it is still there see if the Cap is cracked.

What Lubricates the Rotary Vane Vac Pump on the Volvo?

Outside of the Transmission issue you might unscrew the Vacuum Pump Check Valve and clean out the gunk inside and see if the parts are still intact.
I cleaned mine out with WD-40 and it restored My Normal Vacuum.
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Old 11-22-2012, 09:49 PM
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Thanks Brian.
You say your SD is at 8Hg. I guess if the Vacuum -pressure is in balance with the Modular pressure all will be OK. Finding that balance is the trick.
Can the Modulator be serviced or just replaced.
Also I am considering scrapping the Vacuum pump and installing a
12 volt rotary vane pump from a Volvo. Do you have any thoughts on this.
It all depends on the shift performance. When you replace the modulator, and it's working properly, the shifts will be way too soft and you'll need to make an adjustment to reduce the vacuum.

The modulator is about $30. I'm not aware of anyone servicing them.

I'm not a fan of deviating from the OE equipment unless an alternative can be proven to offer additional durability. Since your vane pump is an unknown and the OE vacuum pump is good for 250K, I'm not understanding the desire to make the change.
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Old 11-22-2012, 09:50 PM
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Check and see if the Cap is still on the Transmission Modulator and if it is still there see if the Cap is cracked.
If cracked or not intact, there wouldn't be 17" vacuum.
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:40 PM
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No one has mentioned it so I will. How is the fluid in it. Normal level, good red color. Not burnt smelling?

could your cable be out of adjustment?
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:06 PM
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If cracked or not intact, there wouldn't be 17" vacuum.
I did not measure the Vacuum but when I accidently disconnected the Modulator Vac Line My Transmission up shifted normally and I had harsh down shifts.
But, My Power Brakes worked normally.

I did not drive the Car like that long enough for the Transmission to get Hot so I can't comment on how it would have shifted hot.

There is that restricted Orifice/Fitting between the Main Vacuum Line and the Vacuum going into the Transmission.

In any event it is easy to check the Modulator Cap.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:42 PM
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Got under the SD today. The cap is still nice and tight as is the line into the modulator.
Is the modulator a piston? Could a small shot of WD4 help?
What is involved in replacing the Modulator?
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:49 PM
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Also I am considering scrapping the Vacuum pump and installing a
12 volt rotary vane pump from a Volvo. Do you have any thoughts on this.
Do you by any chance mean the auxiliary vacuum pumps that Volvo mounted on the inner fender of some 760 Turbos?
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:16 PM
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I am not sure if the pump on the Volvo is an auxiliary vacuum or the only source of vacuum for the brake booster. Just starting to research this.
Trying to get more info like how are the vanes lubricated, a question Diesel911 asked. I am going to drop by a Volvo dealer and see what I can find out.

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