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DId I kill my transmission?
I just changed my front pads and rotors on my 1983 300td. Went out for a test run and worked the brakes. After one particularly hard stop from 35 down to about 5 mph I released the brake and got back on the accelerator and ....uh-oh.....the motor revs but I go nowhere! I came to a stop and shut it off. I collected my thoughts, started her back up, went into D and .....nothing. A whizzing noise ZZZZZZZZZZZ. Put it in park and the wizz noised changed. Ran through the gears PRDS2 and back to park. The wizz slowed down. Went back to D and the tranny caught and I drove off shifting fine through all 4 gears.
I figured I should try another stop to see if I could replicate it and I did.Same problem after a moderate stop. Got it going again the same way and I pulled into a service center. I smelled burnt clutches or fluid, you all know that nasty smell. Fluid level looks good, and it is red. What happened? It drove fine after that for the 5 miles home but I seemed to notice a driveline growl at around 50 mph, 2100 rpm, right were it locks. Any ideas? I won't drive it again until I know it is safe? Thanks
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Possible cause:
Broken plastic clip on the rod that actuates the shift modulator valve on top the injektion pump...and. of course, check the fluid level....
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Hmm
It sounds like something shifted out of position.
I would also inspect: * Engine mounts. * Transmission mount. * Shift linkage bushings. * Bowden cable and bracket. * Plugged transmission filter ? .
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Thanks Roy! Indeed the motor and transmission have shifted. Upon inspection I found the tail of the transmission shifted +- 3/4 of an inch toward the passenger side. I have a transmission mount on its' way, it should be here Monday. Should I change the motor mounts as well? Is this shift an indicator that the motor mounts are weak too?
Can I straighten out the motor and transmission and drive her until Monday without causing damage? What is the recommended way to find center? Thanks again.
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How would a shifting motor or transmission cause the transmission not to engage? There must be some other issue related to the shifting that is causing the problem.
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I have a bad shift link bushing. I believe that is the cause. Is it easier to change the bushing while the transmission mount is out?
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How exactly is the bad shifter bushing causing the problem? If it wasn't going into D, wouldn't putting it in 2 or L get the transmission in a gear in which it would move? Wouldn't moving the shifter back and forth a little solve the bad bushing problem? I haven't heard of a bad shifter bushing causing the transmission not to engage at all. Perhaps it would.
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Have you checked the fluid level? Could be it is low and the hard stop sloshed it in the pan so the pump sucked in air. If low on fluid, the torque converter does not transmit force. Putting it in N will fill the torque converter fast (most cars). That works for my 65 Chrysler which has "morning sickness", meaning the fluid somehow drains out of the torque converter overnight. I used to have to wait a minute in P or D before getting some drive, but later read the "N" trick, and can drive away in 10 sec.
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Answer
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Start with the transmission mount, then one engine mount at a time. Remember to disconnect the engine shock BEFORE raising the engine. .
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Measures taken, but problem still persists
I replaced the 2 shifter bushings and the transmission mount but the problem of slipping after a moderate stop still occors. Putting it in neutral gets it going again within seconds. The fluid level appears good and it is red. Smells a little burned so I am going to change the ATF and filter. What more should I look into?
Thanks!
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Dumb question I'm sure, but you checked the fluid with the engine running and on perfectly level ground right?
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Like 5 times over two days. Transmission warm, idling in park on level ground. I have a hard time getting accurate tranny fluid levels. I hope I'm not the only one! So I take multiple readings and when they agree, I take that to be accurate. But I will take another level reading just to put my fears to rest.
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