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kerry 01-14-2013 11:53 PM

Why the sudden poor running of the engine?

engatwork 01-15-2013 06:35 AM

That is what I'm sitting here wondering.

How many miles are on the car?

Air&Road 01-15-2013 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDon (Post 3083213)
It jumped time by 20 degrees and you haven't damaged anything... jeeze!


That was my thought. Time for the OP to buy a lottery ticket.

OP. Don't simply reset the cam timing without checking and dealing with the tensioner. It should be a ratcheting tensioner and will have to be reset.

fdanielson 01-15-2013 09:19 PM

Recap- I have no idea why it all of a sudden started running poorly. While checking various things I decided to check the timing chain and it looks just fine, has tension, no broken or flapping parts. The timing showed 20 degrees off which shocked me because it ran afterwards, albeit poorly. At the suggestion of another poster that the timing pointer may just be wrong I checked the IP timing and found it was also offset by the same 20 degrees. So now I'm supposing the timing didn't jump at all and there is some other explanation for the sudden change in operation. Next step is checking the lift pump pressure and compression.

engatwork 01-15-2013 09:23 PM

Check the movement and operation of the dampers in the intake manifold.

fdanielson 01-15-2013 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by engatwork (Post 3084375)
Check the movement and operation of the dampers in the intake manifold.

That was one of the first things I checked. I pulled the crossover tube and started it up to eliminate the flaps and EGR valve as a potential problem. It ran exactly the same.

KarTek 01-16-2013 12:58 PM

A distant memory for me is that the timing spec for the engine is something like 14 deg ATDC. +5 or so deg may just be chain stretch.

GregMN 01-16-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fdanielson (Post 3084372)
... some other explanation for the sudden change in operation...

Bad fuel.

engatwork 01-16-2013 07:58 PM

^x2

Did you refuel shortly before it happened?

fdanielson 01-17-2013 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by engatwork (Post 3084956)
^x2

Did you refuel shortly before it happened?

Nope. This was a long distance trip and I had fueled up the day before and gone at least five hundred miles before it started. Thinking that maybe I had sucked some goo off of the bottom of the tank I changed the spin on fuel filter and checked the primary filter on the next fill up.

whunter 01-17-2013 04:37 PM

A few thoughts
 
Sudden air leaks on these lines is common.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-parts-reference-library/192082-1995-e300-d-plastic-injection-pump-lines-om606-910-a.html

Delivery valve seal or O-ring failure is also common.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/general-information/173991-om60_series-ip-delivery-valve-reseal.html

Warning ALL Diesel Owners
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/309367-warning-all-diesel-owners.html#post2841158

Bad smelling fuel, what to do
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/94728-bad-smelling-fuel-gag-gasp-choke.html

Algae/Fungus fixation...
Algae/Fungus fixation... - PeachParts Mercedes ShopForum

Biobor, what is it, why do I need it???
Biobor, what is it, why do I need it??? - PeachParts Mercedes ShopForum

Filters, Fungus, Biocide, etc.
Filters, Fungus, Biocide, etc. - PeachParts Mercedes ShopForum

Algae Clogged Filter Pic StarTron WORKS !
Algae Clogged Filter Pic StarTron WORKS ! - PeachParts Mercedes ShopForum



I hope it has nothing to do with this thread.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/229331-vacuum-pump-rebuild-thread.html#post1927867


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Zulfiqar 01-17-2013 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarTek (Post 3084715)
A distant memory for me is that the timing spec for the engine is something like 14 deg ATDC. +5 or so deg may just be chain stretch.

That is the injection timing - the cam timing is 0 degrees.

fdanielson 01-21-2013 06:07 PM

In the course of earlier troubleshooting I ran the car from a jug of fuel to bypass the tank, the fuel in it, the tank screen, and the supply lines. Then ran some diesel purge through it and that didn't help. Over the weekend I rigged up a test pipe in order to perform the lift pump volume and pressure tests and the pump is working well above specifications. At this point I am confident there is no supply side fuel problem and am very happy that I ran the tests instead of ordering a lift pump and relief valve that I didn't need.

I have the splined delivery valve socket on order and when that gets here I'll check, clean, and replace the seals on those.

Also on the agenda is seeing if I can make the injector adapter from my compression tester fit by pulling the valve cover and removing the injector and the well around it.

In the meantime my girlfriend has been nice enough to let me borrow her BMW M Roadster. Not a very practical car but a blast to drive. My daughter has striclty prohibited me from pressing the 'fun button' a.k.a. the button that disables the automatic skid control.

engatwork 01-21-2013 08:32 PM

Quote:

borrow her BMW M Roadster
Got any pictures?

fdanielson 01-21-2013 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by engatwork (Post 3087529)
Got any pictures?

Not handy, it's 2000 in Imola red. The one in this ad M Roadster Buyers Guide - Sale Listings - 2001 BMW M Roadster - Imola Red 2 over Imola Red & Black Nappa looks just like it.


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