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Old 03-07-2013, 09:45 PM
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OM603 IP questions:

Looking for someone who really knows these engines; first question would be whether the IP is even adjustable for timing on an OM603 or is it electronically controlled?

I am not looking to adjust one, just trying to get to the bottom of a running problem on an acquaintance's car and a supposed diagnosis from a shop out of town. From my memory of owning this model, the IP timing was not adjustable manually like it is on an OM617 or other older MB diesels. Hoping someone can clear this up(?)

Also, what type of problem with that IP would cause a fuel starvation problem that causes a severe lack of power?

TIA. There is a lot more info on forums about the simpler IP on the older models.

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Old 03-07-2013, 09:48 PM
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Is he getting an alda signal? That's always the 1 cuprit. The idle control is electronic, that is it. It is manually timed.
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Injection timing is adjustable by moving pump. Loosen front and back fasteners, adjuster is on top at front of pump, outboard.
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:23 PM
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OM603 IP questions:

Adjusting the pump is cake on the 60x series. The above poster outlined it, but you need an AB light o get it perfect last I checked. Or the drip method. I'd double check the Alda lines.
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Lack of power could be a clogged trap oxidizer. Easy way to check is to remove the exhaust manifold plug at #1 cylinder.
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Good call. Not just trap ox but the cat can be as well. Both tested as described.
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Lack of power could be a clogged trap oxidizer. Easy way to check is to remove the exhaust manifold plug at #1 cylinder.
Thanks to everyone for the responses! Can you elaborate on this plug, where exactly is it and what am I looking for? The vehicle in question does not have a TO, (at least not anymore), so would this still be something to look into? Thx.
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Looking for someone who really knows these engines; first question would be whether the IP is even adjustable for timing on an OM603 or is it electronically controlled?

I am not looking to adjust one, just trying to get to the bottom of a running problem on an acquaintance's car and a supposed diagnosis from a shop out of town. From my memory of owning this model, the IP timing was not adjustable manually like it is on an OM617 or other older MB diesels. Hoping someone can clear this up(?)

Also, what type of problem with that IP would cause a fuel starvation problem that causes a severe lack of power?

TIA. There is a lot more info on forums about the simpler IP on the older models.
What year and model is this???
Some have common issues that cause lack of power (not related to timing).



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I have dealt with all the suggestions... plugged cat, bad ALDA lines, bad switchover valve, throttle linkage misadjusted, etc All easily fixed in a few hours

Look on the exhaust manifold. That hot thing on the passenger side of the motor... there is a bolt in the No 1 port. You can install a backpressure gauge there for testing.

If you did not know the IP timing was adjustable on it, you may not want to be wrenching on the 603. It could cause more harm than good.
You have a point about unqualified people wrenching on machinery, but I am not working on this vehicle. As clearly stated in my OP, it belongs to an acquaintance and it's sitting in a shop where they are telling him that it needs a new IP. I'm extremely skeptical of this and therefore started this thread to educate myself on this model before talking to the shop. You may want to improve your reading comprehension before unleashing your piehole next time.

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What year and model is this???
Some have common issues that cause lack of power (not related to timing).
I believe that it's an engine from a 1987 300SDL installed into a 1987 300TD wagon. Assuming that the engine itself is healthy, (good compression, etc.), what are the common issues that cause poor performance? How exactly does the ALDA function on this model, similar to the older diesels? Or is there an electronic component to it? TIA.
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Then help and don't be an ass hole about it. The exhaust manifold is "the hot thing on the passenger side"?? Better yet, get lost. There are more qualified people here to help.
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I'm extremely skeptical of this and therefore started this thread to educate myself on this model before talking to the shop.



You should be skeptical.

Do not leave the vehicle in that shop. It's 99% certain that the IP is not the problem. Those without the troubleshooting skills will always point to the IP and they are always wrong (with the one exception being when the IP is run with WVO).
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Better yet, get lost. There are more qualified people here to help.
He's actually very qualified...........you ought not to toss out the baby with the bath water.
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:58 PM
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Looking for someone who really knows these engines; first question would be whether the IP is even adjustable for timing on an OM603 or is it electronically controlled?

I am not looking to adjust one, just trying to get to the bottom of a running problem on an acquaintance's car and a supposed diagnosis from a shop out of town. From my memory of owning this model, the IP timing was not adjustable manually like it is on an OM617 or other older MB diesels. Hoping someone can clear this up(?)

Also, what type of problem with that IP would cause a fuel starvation problem that causes a severe lack of power?

TIA. There is a lot more info on forums about the simpler IP on the older models.
The fuel filters have both been changed? Almost always the first thing to do even if a person thinks they are okay.

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