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Old 04-02-2013, 12:26 AM
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If you have a us spec car it is then a turbo and for better economy you can swap with minor mods to a 247 diff from a 380
SE. You will give up some acceleration on take off but will work pretty well on the highway.

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Old 04-02-2013, 01:49 AM
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Oh, I see. I didn't know if the turbo and non turbo models were sold side by side. I suppose my parts car has the 3.07. I'd like to squeeze a few more highway miles out of the wagon, just don't want to be defeated by every hill.
Even with 2.88's a properly running 617 turbo shouldn't have problems with hills. If you're having problems on hills, you have another issue-fuel supply issue, ALDA plumbing, fuel supply issue, soft wastegate spring, fuel supply issue, improperly tuned automatic transmission, fuel supply issue, etc.
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Old 04-02-2013, 02:09 AM
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Even with 2.88's a properly running 617 turbo shouldn't have problems with hills. If you're having problems on hills, you have another issue-fuel supply issue, ALDA plumbing, fuel supply issue, soft wastegate spring, fuel supply issue, improperly tuned automatic transmission, fuel supply issue, etc.
I have an NA 300D with a 3.46. I'm not the OP, I was thread-jacking. I don't really have problems with hills now really, have to just be going pretty quick at the bottom to maintain speed at the top I was just wondering how much worse hill climbs might be with a 3.07. I live in the mountains, everything is a hill.
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:54 AM
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I built up a car using a euro 300D and a 307 diff. Taking off on an incline was a little dicey but once moving I never had an issue. I don't mind shifting down for hills though and some seem to resent it. With a four speed and it all in an 83 240D body it got 30 mpg with regularity.
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I have an NA 300D with a 3.46. I'm not the OP, I was thread-jacking. I don't really have problems with hills now really, have to just be going pretty quick at the bottom to maintain speed at the top I was just wondering how much worse hill climbs might be with a 3.07. I live in the mountains, everything is a hill.

Well, you might just have to be a little quicker at the bottom for a run up the hills going to a 3:07. looks like a 11.28% difference between a 3:46 and a 3:07 Diff.

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Old 04-03-2013, 08:33 PM
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alright sounds like the 3.96 may be too much then... so perhaps the 3.46, does anyone know what rpm I would be running at 75mph? this is not my daily car but I would like to have a little better off the line especially with the larger off road tires I am putting on it.
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Old 04-03-2013, 08:41 PM
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I'm totally up for swapping either a 3.46 or a 3.69 diff for your stock 2.88.
I'll even swap the instrument cluster for yours as well.

I can have someone look at it and tell me how it looks. I have a good mechanic that does my work here and could tell me. How far are you from Baltimore?
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alright sounds like the 3.96 may be too much then... so perhaps the 3.46, does anyone know what rpm I would be running at 75mph? this is not my daily car but I would like to have a little better off the line especially with the larger off road tires I am putting on it.
That would depend on the tire size you're using.

(0.00595) * (RPM * r) / (R1 * R2) = vehicle speed in miles/hour

where:
RPM = engine speed, in revolutions/minute
r = loaded tire radius (wheel center to pavement), in inches
R1 = transmission gear ratio
R2 = rear axle ratio

linky: http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_speed_rpm.htm

The transmission ratio is 1:1 in fourth gear. What are planning on doing with this car?
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:07 AM
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I'm with skippy on this. These engines have good power for climbing hills with the stock gearing. If you put gears in that will raise engine rpm you will really ruin the fuel economy. the engine is an air pump. If you raise the cruising rpm 20% you will raise the fuel burned commensurately....I mean close to 20%, so if you go from the stock 288 gears to 346 gears that is increasing the highway rpm by about 15%. So if you are getting 25 highway mpg now that will drop to about 20.

Its nothing I would ever do.
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It depends on the intended use. If the OP is going drag racing or mud bogging, deep gears may be a good choice.
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99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.
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It depends on the intended use. If the OP is going drag racing or mud bogging, deep gears may be a good choice.
If he goes mudding in an '85 300D, I want pictures.
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and my intention with the car is to cover it completely in duct tape, put a loud exhaust on it, very large tires, low gearing, strip the interior and replace with racing seats, and lots of other weird things... then eventually start doing something new and unique to my 300cd...
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Old 04-05-2013, 07:26 PM
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and my intention with the car is to cover it completely in duct tape, put a loud exhaust on it, very large tires, low gearing, strip the interior and replace with racing seats, and lots of other weird things... then eventually start doing something new and unique to my 300cd...
Seriously?
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well ya... I bought the wheels and tires today, have racing seats from my bronco, the exhaust seems like a pretty easy thing, the only tough things seems to be the rear differential and I want to add a third tank in the trunk as I need more range. Check out my sweet duck tape job though, just search for my other posts.
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well ya... I bought the wheels and tires today, have racing seats from my bronco, the exhaust seems like a pretty easy thing, the only tough things seems to be the rear differential and I want to add a third tank in the trunk as I need more range. Check out my sweet duck tape job though, just search for my other posts.

WOW just WOW!!!

I guess you will need three full tanks in the car if you are going to much much lower grearing.

Duct Tape? Really? HMMMMMM now how old are you? 16???

I really don`t follow this...................oh well.


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1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

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