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Old 04-13-2013, 11:09 PM
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Valve cover leak

Folks, I have been chasing down an oil leak at the valve cover for a couple months now and it is starting to drive me crazy!!

It leaks at the drivers side front corner, but the rest of the valve cover is sealed nice and dry, even the entire front section of the cover.

So far I have tried two new gaskets, torqued the valve cover nuts to FSM spec, torqued them a bit looser than spec, and tightened them slightly and then a good amount more than FSM spec. Nothing helped.

I applied a small amount of gasket sealer to the mating surface of the gasket at the spot I assumed it was leaking at but that did not help either. I even did a rough check to see if the cover was warped by setting it on a 1 X 8 piece of wood, and the cover appeared to be ok.

Any ideas, I'm really getting tired of the mess on the engine and on the underside of the car.

Any idea where I can get a good used valve cover for a modest price if I need to go that route??

Glenn

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Old 04-13-2013, 11:39 PM
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I'll be watching this thread with interest as I've got similar leaks but in more places.
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Old 04-13-2013, 11:43 PM
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Near each stud hole on the valve cover is a "stop" which limits how close the cover can get to the head. If the cover is warped, filing down the appropriate stop(s) can help ensure a good seal.
Don't get too carried away, lest the cover will cut through the gasket.
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Couple different times I had trouble seating a VC. Discovered one of the Studs had backed out when I removed the nut and was up enough I didn`t notice it. thought the VC was tweeked.

Removed the Studd, blew out the hole with Brake Cleaner and a Air Hose. used a bit of Blue Lock-Tite and screwed it down.

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Old 04-14-2013, 02:03 AM
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Wood tends not to be straight when it "comes out of the packet"!

Find a bit of modern glass - better still find a surface plate or a surface table (I know that that's difficult for the average DIYer which is why modern glass is often the best of the rest of what's left)
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Old 04-14-2013, 02:04 AM
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Couple different times I had trouble seating a VC. Discovered one of the Studs had backed out when I removed the nut and was up enough I didn`t notice it. thought the VC was tweeked.

Removed the Studd, blew out the hole with Brake Cleaner and a Air Hose. used a bit of Blue Lock-Tite and screwed it down.

Charlie
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I've noticed those pesky studs rising to the occasion too!
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Old 04-14-2013, 09:25 AM
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What is the easiest way to remove the stud so I can locktite/JB weld it if necessary? I'm thinking a pair of vice grips on a non-threaded part of the stud.....
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In my case, they were finger tight and came right out. I double nutted them to screw them back in. If they are too tight to unscrew with your fingers, a pair of VG should work.

I have some 6 inch needle nose, bent needle nose and a pair of the reg jaws, and one small 4 inch pair for for my watch repair stuff.

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Old 04-14-2013, 03:54 PM
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You could also double nut them to take them out
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Old 04-18-2013, 01:18 PM
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Well, I got a chance to work on the valve cover leak today. I think I found what is causing the leak. All the Valve cover studs were tight in the head but I noticed on the drivers side front one (where it has been leaking) the threads for the nut were worn way down and almost stripped. Guess that is why it is not staying torqued down properly.

Now for my repair options.

1. Get a new stud (where can I find one and what is the thread pitch for both ends)

2. Remove the stud (in tight so I guess a vice grips) and replace it with a long bolt (again, what thread pitch for the end that goes in the head).

While I believe either option would work, what would you do if you were faced with the same issue?

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Well, I got a chance to work on the valve cover leak today. I think I found what is causing the leak. All the Valve cover studs were tight in the head but I noticed on the drivers side front one (where it has been leaking) the threads for the nut were worn way down and almost stripped. Guess that is why it is not staying torqued down properly.

Now for my repair options.

1. Get a new stud (where can I find one and what is the thread pitch for both ends)

2. Remove the stud (in tight so I guess a vice grips) and replace it with a long bolt (again, what thread pitch for the end that goes in the head).

While I believe either option would work, what would you do if you were faced with the same issue?

Glenn
I'd just go to a junk yard and grab one. That way you know you're getting the right one. Use a double nut to extract the stud and maybe grab a spare while you're at it.

use a vice grips or better yet a stud extractor for the one on your engine.
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Not a bad idea, but the nearest junkyard around here that has an old Benz in it is 92 miles away. One of the hazards of living out in the boonies I guess....
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Old 04-18-2013, 03:55 PM
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I find it a waste of time to go searching in junkyards for small parts. Just take the nuts to a hardware store and find some metric bolts there to figure out what size nut you need and buy some new ones. My Ace hardware has a decent selection of metric hardware.
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Not a bad idea, but the nearest junkyard around here that has an old Benz in it is 92 miles away. One of the hazards of living out in the boonies I guess....
Ouch! Yea, I guess that's a deal killer.
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Fastenal carries the correct metric size and in many varations. http://www.fastenal.com/web/products/fasteners/rod/double-end-studs/

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