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Old 06-17-2013, 01:49 AM
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Question OM601 Oil pump chain tensioner spring broke? Help

I dropped the oil pan on the 190D to replace the oil pump chain. I am not sure whether I snapped it, dislodged it or it was always like that, the tensioner spring has NO tension, the pump guide is loose and is not pressing against the chain.

Questions:

1) Would it be OK to run the oil pump chain without the tensioner?
2) What can be done to fix it? I do not want to remove the timing chain front plate. It is too much work.
3) If the worst comes to the worst then I think I can make a kit and put a spring behind the timing chain front plate to do the same job.

Any ideas welcome.

btw: anyone has a picture of what the spring looks like or an opened up OM60x engine to show how the guide rail and spring are installed.
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:47 AM
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Too much at risk to run with no tensioner. I might consider making a spacer to lower the oil pump if feasible to remove the slop from the chain. That's if the point of the oil pickup could be modified as well. Just something I might consider if the oil pump is vertically mounted but not recommend. Best of course to bite the bullet and do what has to be done properly.

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Old 06-19-2013, 11:10 PM
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That sucks, you are going to have to remove the timing cover, I would not run it without the spring.
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:21 AM
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"You are going to have to remove the timing cover, I would not run it without the spring."

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No Way to SAFELY run it with out the proper Tension!
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Old 06-20-2013, 08:22 AM
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It is not that bad of a job in my opinion.
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Old 06-22-2013, 03:26 AM
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I jury rigged a spring to fix the oil chain guide. I really do not want to open up the front cover so I installed a spring to 'pull' the guide rail towards the chain. I drilled a hole in the guide rail and a hole in the front cover support and mounted a spring there. It seems to be doing its job but the proof is in the pudding when I fire up the engine. Here is a couple of pictures. Wish me luck.

btw: The spring is not broken. I do not think it was dislodged when I removed the oil pump. I think it has been like that for a while. The front cover, I suspect, was removed at one time and the guide was not installed properly. The reason I made this assumption is that there should be a metal 'cage' behind the vacuum pump, held by 3 bolts, but it was missing.
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I jury rigged a spring to fix the oil chain guide. I really do not want to open up the front cover so I installed a spring to 'pull' the guide rail towards the chain. I drilled a hole in the guide rail and a hole in the front cover support and mounted a spring there. It seems to be doing its job but the proof is in the pudding when I fire up the engine. Here is a couple of pictures. Wish me luck.

btw: The spring is not broken. I do not think it was dislodged when I removed the oil pump. I think it has been like that for a while. The front cover, I suspect, was removed at one time and the guide was not installed properly. The reason I made this assumption is that there should be a metal 'cage' behind the vacuum pump, held by 3 bolts, but it was missing.
Well? How did it go? Im not trying to be a smart a$$ but I think you are asking for trouble.
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:31 AM
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Well? How did it go? Im not trying to be a smart a$$ but I think you are asking for trouble.
Happy to report that I have done 2000 miles on the engine with the jury rigged spring. I think it is doing its job and does it well.
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:22 AM
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Just out of curiosity, what made you go in to replace the chain to begin with? Was it making noise?
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:58 AM
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Cylinder #1 compression was low. They were around <100, 400+, 400+, 400+. I overhauled the engine by removing the head, oil pan and pushed all cylinders out. Honed cylinder #1 and replaced the oil chain as part of the process. I found the oil chain guide was loose but I could not determine whether it was loose all along. The reason is that the OM601 oil pan is a pain to remove with the engine in car. I lifted the engine but the oil pan still would not come out because of its geometry and the cross bar is in the way. I needed to drop the oil pump inside the pan to withdraw the same. As a result, what the oil chain guide was like before was not known.

btw: the oil pan can be dropped and removed without removing the oil pump for OM603 engine. Not sure about OM602.
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W124 Keyless remote, PM for details. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-used-parts-sale-wanted/334620-fs-w124-chasis-keyless-remote-%2450-shipped.html

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