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Old 11-11-2013, 05:44 PM
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Who are "these people"? They sound like idiots. Putting new glow plugs in is cheap (if that is the only problem). Starting with no glow plugs long term will kill the starter and battery.

Edit: Starting fluid should never be used in an idi diesel engine!
It sounds like your sister is getting unethical advise. I hope she chooses her stock broker better than she chooses her transportation advisor.

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Old 11-11-2013, 10:05 PM
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Any of us that have owned these older volkswagon engines fully realize that you do not operate them on a daily basis without working glow plugs.
This is true. When the strip fuse cracked on my 91 Jetta it would hardly start even when the motor was at 80*F:

1991 vw jetta diesel dead glowplug cold start 408,000 miles - YouTube

The first 2 glow plugs are kind of a pain to get at on the AAZ because of the shape of the injection pump. But it is possible to change them with the pump on.

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Old 11-11-2013, 10:09 PM
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After I explained what would happen using starting fluid she agreed that it didnt sound like a good idea. The car was so expensive because its a syncro MK2, its still a rusty pos though. I'm going to check the compression and put new glow plugs in it, hopefully that will get it running better but who knows. It does have the crank pulley problem a little bit, although shortly after she got it it was taken apart and put back together properly.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:10 PM
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This is true. When the strip fuse cracked on my 91 Jetta it would hardly start even when the motor was at 80*F:

1991 vw jetta diesel dead glowplug cold start 408,000 miles - YouTube

The first 2 glow plugs are kind of a pain to get at on the AAZ because of the shape of the injection pump. But it is possible to change them with the pump on.

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It is a lot harder to get started than the jetta in that video the way it is, even when its not that cold outside.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:33 PM
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The engine in my Jetta was somewhat warm in that video. If it were completely cooled off it would not have started.

Wait, this is a syncro Mk2 not a Mk3???

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Old 11-11-2013, 11:31 PM
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The engine in my Jetta was somewhat warm in that video. If it were completely cooled off it would not have started.

Wait, this is a syncro Mk2 not a Mk3???

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Yes, it originally had a gas engine when it was sold in germany, and had the AAZ put in later after someone brought it here.
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:21 AM
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How bad is the body? Is it a Country model?

Syncros are rare enough it might be worth fixing.

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Old 11-12-2013, 10:29 AM
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Golf countrys are not allowed to come to the US at all, this is just a regular one. Its rusty by CA standards, but not horrible. Its more just that she has over $8k in it already and doesn't have anything else to drive to work.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:54 AM
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Because it's a swap there's no telling how the glow plugs were wired up... I'd get those working properly first and then go from there.

Some pictures of the engine bay might help.

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Old 11-12-2013, 02:33 PM
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8k into a rusty golf. Yikes. Thats well over double what I have into my mint 420sel....
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Old 11-12-2013, 02:42 PM
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Ya, but your 420 isn't a model that was very limited production and never sold in the USA -syncro cars are 4 wheel drive with a fully independent rear suspension.

That said 8k is a lot of dough

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Old 11-12-2013, 02:54 PM
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Test the glow plugs first before replacing. Take the copper bus off and apply power to each plug via a 20 amp ammeter. If the plug spikes 18 amps and drop to 10 as it heats up it is good. Change only the bad ones.
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Do we even know if the glow system is installed at all? Is the system actually working? Inquiring minds want to know!
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I am honestly not sure if the system is working properly or not. I don't think it did when she bought it, but supposedly it got fixed later. The glow plug light comes on in the gauge cluster now, but other than that I have no idea. I will try to get a pic of the engine next time I'm home when its light outside.
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Old 11-14-2013, 12:56 AM
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Check timing belt timing (lock cam, lock pump check flywheel), then check injection pump timing with dial indicator set to 1.0mm with cold start cable off, remove injectors and send out for testing be sure to install new heatshields, replace glowplugs, test compression, test glow system and make sure it has the proper fuse etc. Being a swap special anything could be wrong.
Most 1.9 AAZ die from crankshaft gear issues, hard to start was a very good sign something was up (I have a ton of experience with them at all levels dealer to auction specials to engine swaps).
Having a special 12mm wrech that has a pivot point with a rachet box end really helps get the glow plugs out, becareful not to cross thread when going in. You may need to rotate the injection pump to remove injectors on timing belt side. Check all the wiring in the big plug that is on the cylinder head for the engine wiring, common to see green corrossion issues or broken wires leading up to it.
An interesting thought, does the flywheel even have a mark for the diesel TDC? It might not...which could explain a lot!

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