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ROLLGUY 05-22-2014 06:55 PM

For Sale: Diesel EGR Delete/Block-off Plate Kit
 
I now have these EGR Delete/ Block-off Plat Kits for sale. This fits all the 60X & 61X Diesel engines. It comes with the plate, gasket, bolts, and EGR tube block-off disc:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1...z/DSCF0010.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1...DSCF0001-1.jpg


$20 postage paid to any U.S. address.

benzguy300 05-22-2014 07:12 PM

Never mind I see the price

benzguy300 05-22-2014 07:17 PM

If the price is $15.00 shipped I will take it

ROLLGUY 05-23-2014 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benzguy300 (Post 3332514)
If the price is $15.00 shipped I will take it

I have 50 sets available. PM for purchasing details.
Sorry, I don't have paypal. As with everything I sell, CA$H only please....Rich

Drago 05-23-2014 10:04 AM

will it work in 93 300d 2.5L ?

Mölyapina 05-23-2014 10:32 AM

Yup.

ROLLGUY 05-23-2014 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jooseppi Luna (Post 3332739)
Yup.

If the guy with the ever-changing avatar says it will, then yes it will. My bro' has a '91 300D 2.5, and I will make sure it fits...Rich

capflya 05-24-2014 03:05 PM

Any difference in price if we order more than one?

DieselPaul 05-24-2014 03:09 PM

If you kill the EGR on a 90-93 you will create problems. The vacuum actuated wastegate gets upset when you delete the EGR, you won't have a carboned up intake, but you also will not have a turbo. It would be good if you were doing a wastegate actuator swap at the same time. Someone like GSXR can shed a lot more light on this than I can, but I am waiting to do the actuator swap on the '92 before I delete the EGR.

How do you want to be paid by people out of town?

Drago 05-24-2014 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DieselPaul (Post 3333228)
If you kill the EGR on a 90-93 you will create problems. The vacuum actuated wastegate gets upset when you delete the EGR, you won't have a carboned up intake, but you also will not have a turbo. It would be good if you were doing a wastegate actuator swap at the same time. Someone like GSXR can shed a lot more light on this than I can, but I am waiting to do the actuator swap on the '92 before I delete the EGR.

How do you want to be paid by people out of town?


I'm not understanding whats going because I capped off both EGR lines(throttle and EGR cans) and my turbo is most definitely spinning up. I had the intake pipe of and it's blowing like a leaf blower. Now somebody might of put a hillbilly fix on it I don't know. How would I know if it is working correctly and not just always on?

DieselPaul 05-25-2014 12:30 AM

That should piss off your EDS. Guess I'm wrong.

toomany MBZ 05-25-2014 07:19 AM

Rich, check your PM box, I'll take two.

funola 05-25-2014 12:52 PM

Did you post to the wrong forum by chance?

RoxanneIsMyFAST 05-27-2014 09:45 PM

I want one for my w123. I sent you a PM.

ROLLGUY 05-28-2014 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capflya (Post 3333225)
Any difference in price if we order more than one?

Since I am paying the shipping, maybe. It would depend on the quantity. PM for any payment questions.

ROLLGUY 06-06-2014 10:43 PM

I finally got the gaskets, and have them ready to ship. My friend has a skin packer, so we packaged them up like so:


http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1...z/DSCF0010.jpg

P M me if you would like to purchase one (or several). Thanks, Rich

jdeoliveira74 06-26-2014 08:26 PM

I'm new here but would love a egr block off kit please
Jon
1987 300sdl
1970 300sd

MSGGrunt 06-27-2014 08:13 AM

I'll take one as well for my 1982 300sd.

PM sent

MSGGrunt 07-10-2014 09:06 PM

Ordered a kit and let me tell everyone... The kit is top notch in quality right down to the packaging and labeling. It will be nice getting rid of a system that has, IMHO, no place on a diesel engine. And the shipping was extremely fast. Thanks ROLLGUY for making such a great kit available at such a great price.

ROLLGUY 07-11-2014 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSGGrunt (Post 3356579)
Ordered a kit and let me tell everyone... The kit is top notch in quality right down to the packaging and labeling. It will be nice getting rid of a system that has, IMHO, no place on a diesel engine. And the shipping was extremely fast. Thanks ROLLGUY for making such a great kit available at such a great price.

I will have to say that anyone that wants one for $15 should order one soon. As of August first, the price will go up to $20 shipped (50 states).
Anyone feel free to post photos of your installation. Thanks, Rich

mikeyfev1 07-16-2014 03:16 PM

Pictures of installing this kit on a 1986 300SDL
 
5 Attachment(s)
Here are some pictures of installing this kit on my car:
  1. Photo 1 shows the location of the EGR on the OM603 engine.
  2. Photo 2 is the location of the 3 bolts that hold the EGR to the engine. Bolt 1 is a 7/16" :eek: bolt (too big for 10mm; too small for 11mm). Bolts 2 & 3 are 6mm hex socket head bolts.
  3. Since these bolts attach to exhaust components, I started with a bit of penetrating lubricant on each bolt first.
  4. When you remove Bolt 1 from the exhaust manifold, don't worry about dropping the nut on the back side of the clamp, its attached. Take the bolt all the way out and expand the clamp to remove it. Photo 3 is a close-up of the clamp.
  5. Make sure your Allen wrench (or socket) fits Bolts 2 & 3 very securely (you don't want to strip them) and remove each bolt. See photo 4.
  6. Photo 5 shows the area with everything removed....to be continued...

mikeyfev1 07-16-2014 03:34 PM

...installing on a 1986 300SDL (continued)
 
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  1. Before installing the kit, I gave the exhaust manifold connection surface a bit of a wire brush cleaning. Other kits advise you to use a ultra-high temp copper-based gasket liquid between the block-off disk and the exhaust manifold; the EGR tube doesn't have this material so I didn't use any either.
  2. This step is possibly the most difficult of the entire process; I have always struggled with these rigid clamp/bolt setups. You have to put the block-off disk from the kit into the clamp and put the clamp over the exhaust manifold tube at the same time. Orient the disk in the clamp so that from outside the disk is convex--the folded edge of the disk mates with the tapered edge of the exhaust manifold tube. All of this has to be in place while you get the bolt inserted into the clamp and threaded. I find that if before I try to insert the bolt I use a pair of slip joint pliers to squeeze the clamp ends together (squeeze the clamp shut) that threading the bolt is much easier.
  3. After some very nasty cleaning inside of the EGR/intake maniforld port, I did some mild scraping/cleaning (careful, its aluminum) on the intake manifold port surface to ensure it was flat before installing the gasket and the block-off plate and the two replacement bolts. The replacement bolts must be used because they are shorter than the original EGR bolts. I used anti-seize on these bolts because they are steel and the bolt holes are aluminum.
  4. The last photo shows the kit fully installed.

ROLLGUY 07-16-2014 06:46 PM

Thanks Mike for the excellent how-to.......Rich

Mölyapina 07-16-2014 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROLLGUY (Post 3359374)
Thanks Mike for the excellent how-to.......Rich

For "Chief Village Idiot", he's pretty darn good :D.

Dan Stokes 07-17-2014 08:43 AM

Rich - Where were you when I was doing mine?! A made my own but I'll wager NOT as pretty as yours are. Nice stuff.

Guys - if you'll look at my manual boost controller installation on my build thread you'll see that the intake block-off plate is an excellent place to grab boost pressure - just drill and tap (I used 1/8" NPT). I chanced drilling thru the powder coat but it worked OK.

Dan

DrLou 07-17-2014 09:13 AM

Rich, Looks great! I'll take one. PM sent. Lou

showtimex 07-25-2014 03:29 AM

Rich, tried to send you a PM, not sure if that went through, I'd like to order one kit to 98226. Thanks

ROLLGUY 08-04-2014 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROLLGUY (Post 3356690)
I will have to say that anyone that wants one for $15 should order one soon. As of August first, the price will go up to $20 shipped (50 states).
Anyone feel free to post photos of your installation. Thanks, Rich

The price is now $20 shipped per kit. I don't know how to modify the first post, so I can't change the price......Rich

compress ignite 08-04-2014 03:50 AM

Off Road Testing of EGR Delete kit
 
2 Attachment(s)
OM 602.962 ?
Deleting EGR with "Kit" [Anyone's]

READ this Biblical Length Post FIRST !

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/212097-wastegate-actuator-swap-om602-962-a.html

Blocking Off the EGR will force the EDS
(Electronic Diesel System,the engine computer) to Kill the Boost from the Turbo.
UNLESS you follow GSXR's instructions for WG replacement.

The Kit "On Offer" is certainly Nice and functional...

BUT,I like My Kit with Stainless Steel Plate, Bolts and Gasket
that came with the Ultra Copper High Temp sealant and 1/16" thick Copper Disc.
That I may have gotten,
from someone who might have been in a State contiguous with N.J.
Who,in an Obverse universe,might have been CB.

Bonus Info:
The Turbocharger will not actually produce "Boost" until it's "under load".
I.E. All systems are operational, the Tranny is in Gear and your right foot is doing it's assigned job.
(Watching the Compressor Vanes Pinwheel with the engine running Ain't "Boost".)

Y'all will please note the "Zoomed" picture (Number 5 0f 5) of mikeyfav's reply#21
It's showing the Intake Port on the Pressurized connector that runs
between the Turbocharger and the Crossover Pipe that feeds the Intake Manifold.
[The EGR uses that port during Warm-Up, Idling to INJECT the NASTY CARBON CRUD from the exhaust into
the Intake to control emissions. (Counter-Intuitive) ]
The little circle that looks Blocked with Nasty Black EGR exhaust dust mixed with oil is exactlywhat it looks like!!!
AND you can bet your last dollar the Inside of:
The Crossover Pipe,Intake Manifold and anything downstream of the EGR
ALL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE IT!!
This be the reason to Test the EGR by blocking it off for "Off Road" purposes Only!

If y'all REALLY wanna enjoy the full benefits of the Wastegate/EGR Delete,
Take the Crossover.Connector and Intake manifold Off and clean them.
Any part of the Sensing system's Tubes and Ports,ETC. should be cleaned also!

ROLLGUY 08-04-2014 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compress ignite (Post 3368414)
OM 602.962 ?
Deleting EGR with "Kit" [Anyone's]

READ this Biblical Length Post FIRST !

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/212097-wastegate-actuator-swap-om602-962-a.html

Blocking Off the EGR will force the EDS
(Electronic Diesel System,the engine computer) to Kill the Boost from the Turbo.
UNLESS you follow GSXR's instructions for WG replacement.

The Kit "On Offer" is certainly Nice and functional...

BUT,I like My Kit with Stainless Steel Plate, Bolts and Gasket
that came with the Ultra Copper High Temp sealant and 1/16" thick Copper Disc.
That I may have gotten,
from someone who might have been in a State contiguous with N.J.
Who,in an Obverse universe,might have been CB.

Bonus Info:
The Turbocharger will not actually produce "Boost" until it's "under load".
I.E. All systems are operational, the Tranny is in Gear and your right foot is doing it's assigned job.
(Watching the Compressor Vanes Pinwheel with the engine running Ain't "Boost".)

Y'all will please note the "Zoomed" picture (Number 5 0f 5) of mikeyfav's reply#21
It's showing the Intake Port on the Pressurized connector that runs
between the Turbocharger and the Crossover Pipe that feeds the Intake Manifold.
[The EGR uses that port during Warm-Up, Idling to INJECT the NASTY CARBON CRUD from the exhaust into
the Intake to control emissions. (Counter-Intuitive) ]
The little circle that looks Blocked with Nasty Black EGR exhaust dust mixed with oil is exactlywhat it looks like!!!
AND you can bet your last dollar the Inside of:
The Crossover Pipe,Intake Manifold and anything downstream of the EGR
ALL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE IT!!
This be the reason to Test the EGR by blocking it off for "Off Road" purposes Only!

If y'all REALLY wanna enjoy the full benefits of the Wastegate/EGR Delete,
Take the Crossover.Connector and Intake manifold Off and clean them.
Any part of the Sensing system's Tubes and Ports,ETC. should be cleaned also!

I have found that the easy thing to do on the EDS equipped engines (well at least the '91 300D 2.5T) is to just put vacuum to the wastegate all the time. Unlike the 617's, the WG is normally open, NOT normally closed. With vacuum to the WG all the time, the car has all the power the engine can give, and runs great (kinda like a "greased cheetah chasing a bullet train"). I know some folks will balk at this suggestion, but I don't know what to say, other than it works. Changing the actuator is a big job for some, so this way is much easier. I know that the only over-boost protection you have with this method is in your right foot, but it has been my experience that these engines do not get close to an over-boost condition very often (if ever). Maybe when they were new and all the systems were in perfect working order was that protection needed. Always remember in situations like this: "your mileage may vary"- just sayin'........Rich

sokoloff 08-04-2014 11:54 AM

Rich - for my 240D I stuck a "BB" in the vacuum line coming off the EGR about 20 years ago. It's been fine ever since, but I'm not sure how much good it did. What does your kit do that the "BB" doesn't? I'm not trying to cast a negative light on your kit, but I'm just curious what the advantages are and if I should get one.

Thanks.

ROLLGUY 08-04-2014 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sokoloff (Post 3368557)
Rich - for my 240D I stuck a "BB" in the vacuum line coming off the EGR about 20 years ago. It's been fine ever since, but I'm not sure how much good it did. What does your kit do that the "BB" doesn't? I'm not trying to cast a negative light on your kit, but I'm just curious what the advantages are and if I should get one.

Thanks.

If the EGR gets a piece of carbon in the valve, it will leak exhaust into the intake. Other than that, as long as the EGR is closed, it will do the same thing as the block-off plate. The other advantage is that your car will loose a 1/2 pound of weight, and the stainless steel pipe can be recycled for about 20 cents :D
Some people like the look of the plate over the EGR and pipe.....Rich

sokoloff 08-05-2014 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROLLGUY (Post 3368566)
If the EGR gets a piece of carbon in the valve, it will leak exhaust into the intake. Other than that, as long as the EGR is closed, it will do the same thing as the block-off plate. The other advantage is that your car will loose a 1/2 pound of weight, and the stainless steel pipe can be recycled for about 20 cents :D
Some people like the look of the plate over the EGR and pipe.....Rich

Thanks for the info Rich - much appreciated.

mikeyfev1 08-05-2014 01:57 PM

Other advantages...
 
These are small issues, but they do contribute to the advantage of the block-off plate (on my 300D):
  • The EGR is not in the way. This is barely mentionable, but it is true that with the EGR removed some maintenance operations are simplified, e.g. changing the short coolant hose, working with the timing chain tensioner, etc.
  • I'm going to mention this, but you can do this with the BB solution. Removing the EGR inspired me to remove a good amount of vacuum hoses and controls leading to the EGR.

ROLLGUY 08-05-2014 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyfev1 (Post 3369025)
These are small issues, but they do contribute to the advantage of the block-off plate (on my 300D):
  • The EGR is not in the way. This is barely mentionable, but it is true that with the EGR removed some maintenance operations are simplified, e.g. changing the short coolant hose, working with the timing chain tensioner, etc.
  • I'm going to mention this, but you can do this with the BB solution. Removing the EGR inspired me to remove a good amount of vacuum hoses and controls leading to the EGR.

Thank you.....Rich

showtimex 08-05-2014 05:12 PM

Got my kit from Rich installed, ooooh shiny! 900 more horsepower and a minimum 49.5% increase in fuel economy! Plus my intake manifolds interior is now so clean I can eat my sushi off it! I guess the price was worth it :P

*disclaimer the above may be a slight exaggeration and or completely not true, viewer discretion is advised...

sloride 08-11-2014 09:07 AM

What is the thickness of the plate. Or do you offer different thicknesses? The reason for my question is while doing the delete I would like to tap the plate 1/4" NPT for adding a nozzle for water/methanol injection at the same time.

ROLLGUY 08-11-2014 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sloride (Post 3371359)
What is the thickness of the plate. Or do you offer different thicknesses? The reason for my question is while doing the delete I would like to tap the plate 1/4" NPT for adding a nozzle for water/methanol injection at the same time.

It is 1/8" steel. It will accept a 1/4 NPT thread no problem. However, I had a couple of aluminum plates made for WI on my car a couple years ago.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1...y/100_1044.jpg

I was planning to have more made, but they were a little pricey at the time and I could not afford them. I have a new machine shop that might be able to make them for less. PM for details....Rich

RoxanneIsMyFAST 08-11-2014 02:29 PM

Looking forward to getting mine! Thanks in advanced!

sloride 08-14-2014 08:38 AM

PM sent.

sloride 09-01-2014 11:10 AM

With a 3600 mile round trip in 4 days all ground service fee no next day air. Great service by ROLLGUY, and USPS. Quality looks great also. Maybe a week before it gets installed, they rock I don't.

RoxanneIsMyFAST 09-01-2014 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyfev1 (Post 3369025)
These are small issues, but they do contribute to the advantage of the block-off plate (on my 300D):
  • The EGR is not in the way. This is barely mentionable, but it is true that with the EGR removed some maintenance operations are simplified, e.g. changing the short coolant hose, working with the timing chain tensioner, etc.
  • I'm going to mention this, but you can do this with the BB solution. Removing the EGR inspired me to remove a good amount of vacuum hoses and controls leading to the EGR.


Im trying to figure out actually what all can I remove. Can you help me out?

mikeyfev1 09-01-2014 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoxanneIsMyFAST (Post 3380645)
Im trying to figure out actually what all can I remove. Can you help me out?

Look at the thread http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/252232-egr-removal-3.html; post #35 shows a 1985 300D and SD vacuum diagram and what can be removed. I have done all of this.

However, my car is a 1985 300D KaliKar; federal cars and other years have different components.

sloride 09-01-2014 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoxanneIsMyFAST (Post 3380645)
Im trying to figure out actually what all can I remove. Can you help me out?

Just the EGR as far as I know on the federal version. I am going to have the plate drilled, and tapped for a nozzle to inject h20/meth
mist for combustion chamber cleaning, and any MPG improvment will just be a plus.

greazer2b 09-17-2014 07:59 PM

New Egr Delete kit ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ROLLGUY (Post 3368513)
I have found that the easy thing to do on the EDS equipped engines (well at least the '91 300D 2.5T) is to just put vacuum to the wastegate all the time. Unlike the 617's, the WG is normally open, NOT normally closed. With vacuum to the WG all the time, the car has all the power the engine can give, and runs great (kinda like a "greased cheetah chasing a bullet train"). I know some folks will balk at this suggestion, but I don't know what to say, other than it works. Changing the actuator is a big job for some, so this way is much easier. I know that the only over-boost protection you have with this method is in your right foot, but it has been my experience that these engines do not get close to an over-boost condition very often (if ever). Maybe when they were new and all the systems were in perfect working order was that protection needed. Always remember in situations like this: "your mileage may vary"- just sayin'........Rich

I am interested in a EGR delete for my 85SD Cali. Due to loose intake manifold last summer( 2013 ) I the removed turbo and converter. Wish I had known you then RollGuy could've used that test pipe, while there also yanked starter since it was dragging a little.

Had starter rebuilt locally then order turbo kit and install, then began the NASTY,NASTY cleaning to get crude out of the intake and tube.
That's when I noticed the EGR not working ( not hold even a little vacuum when applied)

So I would like to try one of your NEW EGR DELETE KITS I don't mind being Guinea pig.:ukliam3:
What do you guys think? :rolleyes:
greazer2b

BillGrissom 09-17-2014 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greazer2b (Post 3386995)
... I don't mind being Guinea pig.:ukliam3:

I don't think the EGR delete kit changed since I bought it a few months ago. I put on both my 300D's. Makes it much easier to loosen the alternator. Now, if M-B had not run the high-pressure AC tube back there. Such a strange and convoluted path that gets in the way of everything. RollGuy's Sanden hose fixes that too. Too bad RollGuy wasn't in Germany designing these cars in the first place. Life would be easier. I envision a spin-on oil filter, no silly electric water pump that can catch your dash on fire, ... I am slowly re-designing my cars to fix these "German engineers on meth" issues.

ROLLGUY 09-18-2014 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillGrissom (Post 3387057)
I don't think the EGR delete kit changed since I bought it a few months ago. I put on both my 300D's. Makes it much easier to loosen the alternator.

The only difference between the new and old is the block-off disc for the exhaust side. I still have at least 12 more kits left before the new disc will get put in the next batch of kits. The new disc will be thinner and made of Stainless Steel, so it should seal better and be easier to install.......Rich

greazer2b 09-18-2014 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROLLGUY (Post 3387071)
The only difference between the new and old is the block-off disc for the exhaust side. I still have at least 12 more kits left before the new disc will get put in the next batch of kits. The new disc will be thinner and made of Stainless Steel, so it should seal better and be easier to install.......Rich

But I want to be a Guinea pig Now!!:clap:
greazer2b

300TD1982 10-25-2014 02:48 PM

Would the exhaust side of this kit be a good place to tap for a pyrometer?

dkr 11-08-2014 10:28 PM

I just got mine installed in the dark :-)

On the intake side, the OEM gasket appeared to be at least twice as thick as the gasket in the kit so I reused it without any gasket sealant. One of these days I will pull the intake and clean out all the muck so the car can breathe even better.

On the exhaust side, I did use high-temp gasket sealant although if I had it to do over again, I would probably skip the sealant. That clamp is so tight I can't see it going anywhere and I don't think it's possible to have the block-off on it without clamping it down right. I suppose I may have sealed some microscopic cracks...

Thanks for the kit, Rich and I appreciate your showing me the ropes with my first DIY valve adjustment.

Dkr.


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