Waterless coolant, anyone done this conversion?

[crazy4diesel]

Hi there, I've seen a couple comments on waterless coolant, some swearing by it, where I'd noticed some corrosion of aluminum bits I thought it would be a good idea. Of course like many of these things you research them fully, BUT you don't get the real picture till you buy it and read the instructions, warnings, and troubleshooting.

Number 1: It says, it really doesn't like bypass thermostat setups, isn't that what's in our cars? It says to use a full-flow thermostat ideally one made by them.

Number 2: It says to block off the weep hold in the water pump (or use a water pump by them).

Number 3: It talks about blocking the overflow tube outlet, apparently if there is an issue with vacuum being created and losing coolant.

Does, anyone with experience with this stuff, know the scoop.

[rscurtis]

I run it in my signature car and it works great. I also run it at zero pressure. It's a little bit of a PITA to install, as you'll need their prep fluid and a refractometer to verify that you've removed all water from the system. It worked fine last winter, and so far, this summer hasn't bothered it at all. Check this site and watch the Jay Leno video. Home » Evans Cooling. They don't want to sell direct, they'll refer you to a dealer.

[funola]

Originally Posted by rscurtis

I run it in my signature car and it works great. I also run it at zero pressure. It's a little bit of a PITA to install, as you'll need their prep fluid and a refractometer to verify that you've removed all water from the system. It worked fine last winter, and so far, this summer hasn't bothered it at all. Check this site and watch the Jay Leno video. Home » Evans Cooling. They don't want to sell direct, they'll refer you to a dealer.

I watched the Jay Leno video. That's quite an endorsement. What's Leno's involvement with Evanscooling? Does he have any financial interest?

Sounds like a good product. I will look into it further and may give it a try.

What are the negatives if any of Evans coolant other than price?

[crazy4diesel]

It was Leno's video that got me on board with it. And I like the idea of a zero pressure coolant on a car nearing 40 years, even though I've replaced every hose on it.

I'd expected the prep part of the conversion, they talk about that extensively on the web site. My system is bone dry, from servicing, block is dry, heater core is flushed and dried with a slow flow of 10 psi air. The radiator is new, and the hoses are all new. So that part is not a problem, it's the other things that I found out about only after buying the stuff, and ready the installation instructions. I don't object to it, I'm just wondering if it's all worth it now, seems like a lot more hassle, than "make sure your previous coolant is all gone".

[barry12345]

No opinion just information. I have a 240d that I expect used it at one time. It was no longer present in the coolant system when I purchased the car. You can draw whatever conclusions you like to from that.

Could have been a bad hose or other issue that caused it's removal. Unfortunatly I never knew at the time of purchase or may have asked the owner some questions.

Found two empty jugs of the evans brand still in the trunk in a box with many other things when I got home. Personally I might consider it for a cast iron block and head engine that was marginally running hot unless I could find some cause easily rectified.

I personally at this time have no reason to have anything for or against it.

[funola]

Originally Posted by crazy4diesel

It was Leno's video that got me on board with it. And I like the idea of a zero pressure coolant on a car nearing 40 years, even though I've replaced every hose on it.

I'd expected the prep part of the conversion, they talk about that extensively on the web site. My system is bone dry, from servicing, block is dry, heater core is flushed and dried with a slow flow of 10 psi air. The radiator is new, and the hoses are all new. So that part is not a problem, it's the other things that I found out about only after buying the stuff, and ready the installation instructions. I don't object to it, I'm just wondering if it's all worth it now, seems like a lot more hassle, than "make sure your previous coolant is all gone".

Please tell about " the other things that I found out about only after buying the stuff".

It would seem getting rid of every bit of water in a cooling system is not an easy task. How critical is 100% water removal? There is moisture in the air and will slowly infiltrate an open Evans coolant system. How bad is that little bit of moisture in the Evans coolant long term?

[crazy4diesel]

Originally Posted by funola

Please tell about " the other things that I found out about only after buying the stuff".

It would seem getting rid of every bit of water in a cooling system is not an easy task. How critical is 100% water removal? There is moisture in the air and will slowly infiltrate an open Evans coolant system. How bad is that little bit of moisture in the Evans coolant long term?

They say water should be under 3%, they have a flush, which I assume is some kind of alcohol or something that disperses water.

The other things are:

Number 1: It says, it really doesn't like bypass thermostat setups, isn't that what's in our cars? It says to use a full-flow thermostat ideally one made by them.

Number 2: It says to block off the weep hold in the water pump (or use a water pump by them).

Number 3: It talks about blocking the overflow tube outlet, apparently if there is an issue with vacuum being created and air being sucked in.

[funola]

Originally Posted by crazy4diesel

They say water should be under 3%, they have a flush, which I assume is some kind of alcohol or something that disperses water.

The other things are:

Number 1: It says, it really doesn't like bypass thermostat setups, isn't that what's in our cars? It says to use a full-flow thermostat ideally one made by them.

Number 2: It says to block off the weep hold in the water pump (or use a water pump by them).

Number 3: It talks about blocking the overflow tube outlet, apparently if there is an issue with vacuum being created and air being sucked in.

Are items 1 to 3 on their web site? Is so please post link.

Did they provides reasons why bypass thermostat is not suitable?

There should be no vacuum if the cap is left loose and run at zero pressure. Something not jiving there.

What's the reason for blocking the water pump weep hole?

[crazy4diesel]

Originally Posted by funola

Are items 1 to 3 on their web site? Is so please post link.

Did they provides reasons why bypass thermostat is not suitable?

There should be no vacuum if the cap is left loose and run at zero pressure. Something not jiving there.

What's the reason for blocking the water pump weep hole?

I don't know the answers to any of these questions, that is why I posted here. It's not on their website, which was kind of my complaint, and the reason I'm curious now. It's in the printed instructions sent with the product.

As to the chemical composition, I'll try to get an updated MSDS, that one is 11 years old, and everything I read about, and even on Jay Leno's show they say it's propylene based...with some other "chemistry" they don't wish to disclose.

[Since66]

The MSDS indicates that its primary ingredient is ethylene glycol rather than the more commonly used propylene glycol (probably EPA inspired, doncha know) which is much less toxic.

[Since66]

Looks like the same/similar to Mercedes/Zerex G05 product.

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/zerex_g05.pdf

[crazy4diesel]

Originally Posted by Since66

Looks like the same/similar to Mercedes/Zerex G05 product.

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/zerex_g05.pdf

It's not at all the same. The M-B/Zerex is a ethylene glycol formula you mix with water.

Even's and yes, Sierra is propylene glycol that runs with no water at all.

Ethylene glycol is poison and propylene glycol is used as a food additive...so very different stuff.

Prestone is making a propylene glycol coolant now too, but still has it mix at 50/50 to 30-70 and has other chemicals that make it still dangerous they call it "lowtox" but not exactly the same, though it is cheaper.

[Since66]

Originally Posted by crazy4diesel

It's not at all the same. The M-B/Zerex is a ethylene glycol formula you mix with water.

Even's and yes, Sierra is propylene glycol that runs with no water at all.

Ethylene glycol is poison and propylene glycol is used as a food additive...so very different stuff.

Prestone is making a propylene glycol coolant now too, but still has it mix at 50/50 to 30-70 and has other chemicals that make it still dangerous they call it "lowtox" but not exactly the same, though it is cheaper.

MSDS for Evans NPG. 69%, ethylene glycol

http://contrails.free.fr/temp/NPG+_MSDS.PDF

[oldsinner111]

I buy Sierra Anti Freeze at Tractor Suppy,I run it 100%,its the same thing really as Evans PG.

[C.Doner]

Just to be clear Ethylene Glycol is regular antifreeze/ brake fluid. Propylene Glycol is less toxic. I think the stuff is propylene. Otherwise it would be just regular antifreeze.