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If you wait until spring for a 5w40, you may have to consider using these excellent oils.. Pentosin High Performance II 5w40 Castrol Edge Turbo Diesel 5w40 .
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I am sure you are right, at least on the W210s when FSS first appeared. Makes sense not to put the quality sensor on diesels if it wouldn't work!
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I am working under the impression you got to have that ESP designation to protect the emission system. Application I am currently working with is an 09 E class Bluetec.
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Yes ESP (Emission System Protection), is Mobil 1's own brand. These have special low ash formulations that are designed with lower levels of phosphorus and sulfur to protect vehicles with the diesel particulate filters. For the 09 CDI, that is very important.
Any approved MB 229.51 spec oil will meet this requirement. .
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Yes. ESP is just a Mobil 1 name.
Here is a list of MB approved 229.51 spec oils. Mercedes-Benz Specifications for Operating Fluids: Engine Oil, Gear Oil, ATF, Coolant, Brakefluid .
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Good information, thanks for the link.
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5w40 TDT will work well in 05 06 e320 cdi
Is it consensus that M1 5w40 TDT will work well in 05 06 e320 cdi which do not have the particulate filters? The oil does not have MB approval but does have a lot of other approvals.
Would M1 0w40 be a better choice since it is MB approved?
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Your e320 CDI came with the OM648 engine. That engine can also use MB spec 229.31. This MB oil sheet is from 2006 provided by forum member JHZR2 Correct grade 0w40 mobil oil for $37.46 case Another oil option that is readily available and meets the 229.31 spec is Shell Rotella T6 5w40 and Delo 400 LE synthetic 5w40. .
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Do you mean M1 0w40 (European formula)? I have not seen M1 ESP 0w40.
Though 5w40 TDT is not specifically approved by MB, it looks like it meets requirements of the Heavy Duty truck industry and therefore should be useful for the non-PDF vehicles......ie all pre-2007 MB diesels delivered to US.
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That is my working assumption these days. Something that's not always brought up in these discussions: there are likely all sorts of factors that come into play affecting how different oils are spec'd. Marketing considerations and fuel economy come to mind. On the twin issues of engine reliability and longevity, I have a very difficult time believing that TDT (and some other oils, for that matter) are not perfectly fine for pre 2007 MB diesels.
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I did mean ESP looking at the 229.51 spec sheet. But the 5w40 European Formula meets 229.3 and 229.5 spec, so based on the MB 223.2 sheet, it should be OK.
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So what are you going to use? Pentosin? Fuchs? I wonder if maybe we are paying too much attention to the DPF/sulphated ash stuff and should all just use Delvac 1 or something like this dude: Lubrication Engineers 8854 in 2011 3.0L VW Touareg | Used Oil Analysis - Diesel | Bob Is The Oil Guy 0W-30 Synthetic Oil | Mobil 1™ ESP X1 0W-30 |
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